Comments Thread For: Roach Thinks Margarito Loaded Gloves During Sparring

[WESS]

The counter-argument of Pac refusing to take random blood tests is now MOOT since Pac recently agreed Mayweather's demands and Mayweather still chickened out!! I still think that no one fighter should dictate and undermine rules to any commission. Olympic-style blood testing is for amateur boxers that wear head gear, bigger gloves and fight less rounds. In my opinion, Pac should have still refused to Mayweather's demands. Let the commission establish the rules, NOT a selfish, racist, ****phobic, woman-beater like Mayweather.

Margarito already got BUSTED for plaster of paris and now footage of his previous bouts definitely raise doubt about his innocence in those bouts!!!

We don't know for a FACT that Pac would take the tests as he has not taken one single test. He only talking the talk and not walking the walk. As I see it BOTH have walked away from the table once. So its BOTH there fault.

I can agree that no one fighter should dictate anything but I believe the "system" has failed. Especially here in America when it comes to PEDS. More testing WILL be necessary. A lot of athletes are only innocent because they haven't been busted yet.

As for Margarito, its pathetic that Pac is fighting him. The best fight the best or at least that's what EVERYONE begs, crys and pleads to Mayweather. Why do we ignore these standards with Pac? Fighting a washed up, cheating bum that can only fight in Texas is a disgrace to the sport.... why do we not expect more from Pac as we ALWAYS, always, always expect more from Mayweather...?

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We don't know for a FACT that Pac would take the tests as he has not taken one single test. He only talking the talk and not walking the walk. As I see it BOTH have walked away from the table once. So its BOTH there fault.

I can agree that no one fighter should dictate anything but I believe the "system" has failed. Especially here in America when it comes to PEDS. More testing WILL be necessary. A lot of athletes are only innocent because they haven't been busted yet.

As for Margarito, its pathetic that Pac is fighting him. The best fight the best or at least that's what EVERYONE begs, crys and pleads to Mayweather. Why do we ignore these standards with Pac? Fighting a washed up, cheating bum that can only fight in Texas is a disgrace to the sport.... why do we not expect more from Pac as we ALWAYS, always, always expect more from Mayweather...?

After Pac finally agreed to the extra blood tests, the Mayweather camp IMPLODED and things got even worse for Floyd personally. So that's FACT and proves that Manny's first refusal was about NOT giving in to his opponent's demands and the negotiation process rather than him being afraid of extra tests. As for the system failing, it has been busting notable fighters for PED's for the past decade. So in that aspect, it hasn't failed.

As for Pac and Floyd having different standards. STANDARDS are established by the public and the experts. I know haters don't like to hear this, but Pac has already exceeded all expectations. If Mayweather KNOCKED OUT a 36 yr old lightweight in Marquez and a 38 yr old Mosley, the media and public would have no choice but to swallow his arrogance and spoiled attitude. But he didn't and still says he's better than Ali and Robinson. Whereas Pac destroyed De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto who were all younger than Floyd's last 2 opponents. Now if Margarito was 5ft 7" and over 35 yrs old, Pac would certainly deserve the same criticism Floyd is getting. But that is NOT the case. Pac's performance in the ring actually earns him the right to act as arrogant as Floyd. But instead, Pac is genuinely humble which pisses off the haters even more! lol

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After Pac finally agreed to the extra blood tests

Yes, folks. You are reading correctly. Who Pacquiao agreed with, however, is anyone's guess.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Roach is selling the fight guys, it's that simple.

Bottom line is, only God, Margarito and Capetillo know whether or not Marg had his gloves loaded in previous fights.

[Gabilan]

You missed the logic behind the post guy! It's all about someone assuming something. Why can Roach assume something but not the Mayweather's? Contradicting...

As for Margarito... He IS a cheater BUT IN FACT didn't cheat but attempted to cheat. It STILL isn't actually cheating. He technically NEVER stepped into the ring and hit a fighter with loaded gloves.... there IS a difference. Both are wrong but is it so wrong to assume he cheated throughout his career? No not imo. Is it wrong to assume a fighter "that has no idea what he takes" is on something when EVERYONE around him has been involved with PEDs several times????? No its not... now get over it guy..... I NEVER said that EITHER man was guilty.. The logic is that both are assuming...

How can we not enforce the standards on Pac that everyone desperately strives to put forth on Mayweather???? Contradicting hypocrites..... You cant bash Mayweather and avoid looking at Pac with those very same eyes.... Thats the problem. If Pac asked for drug testing EVERYONE would jump on the band wagon thinking "Pacs a good guy, he's trying to clean the sport up"... lol People judge not for what the boxer can do in the ring but what they cant do outside of it. Mayweather's not the greatest person outside of it yet he is the greatest inside and people must turn to the OUTSIDE of the ring in order to hate. Its funny how it works when your the ACTING "villain" who Mayweather should get an oscar for....

But back to topic... Roach assumes and the Mayweather's assume. Eitherway you look at it, they are assuming. Who cheated more? The guy who got busted before the fight ever took place or the guy that got busted AFTER the fight? Roach and Ariza have been invloved several times with fighters being BUSTED after the fact.... Marg never cheated but was going to attempt to cheat in the ring but never made it that fare where as Roach and Ariza had fighters make it in and out of the ring on PEDS.....

Either way this doesn't change the fact that Margarito who I have NEVER liked will be stopped before 10... He is of no threat to Pac. Roach knows this. Just as he knew Hoya "with IV holes in his arm" was no threat. Just as he knew Hatton was washed up and probably on that coke. Just as he knew Cotto was damaged by a guy who he "ASSUMES" cheated yet still wanted a catchweight that he "doesnt like" (LOL). Just as he knew Clottey wouldn't do anything (reason there was no CW LOL). Yet Mosley is "too good" at several different weights. If Mosley is "too good" does that mean Mayweather is too great"?

Again, give me the evidence that "everyone around him" is using or is involved with PEDS and we can go from there. Cause I have evidence that Margarito attempted to cheat once.

You want us to assume the same innocence when there is clear and indisputable evidence to the contrary (Margarito) than when there isnt any at all (Pac). I'm sorry but its much more logical to say that if he cheated once then he probably did it before than to just accuse somebody that has never been involved with you accuse him of. Credibility is a big factor too and I'm sorry but the Mayweather's are not credible in anything they do.

[Gabilan]

[QUOTE=WESS;9501415]WRONG again sucka MC.... one in fact CAN "assume" he's on PEDS because the people AROUND Pac have been involved with PEDS. That is enough to assume just as Roach is assuming Margarito cheated most of his career when IN FACT nobody can prove this....

I NEVER said if it was RIGHT or WRONG.... now your embarrassing yourself trying to jump in when you are missing the logic as the other guy did....

Both parties are assuming... it doesn't matter what validates how they assume there is IN FACT a reason for BOTH parties to do so..... Now if they are right or wrong is to be determined.... Still doesnt change the fact that they are assuming based off what they THINK..... lol

I that case I assume you are an illiterate 8 year old girl. I clearly have evidence to the contrary but I will assume that either way because according to you anybody can assume regardless of whether there is any evidence out there and every position is equally valid.

Actually, you are correct in one aspect and I will go ahead and fix that right nowL: Anybody can assume (and we know what happens to those who do, you make an *ss of you and etc. etc.) I will go ahead and PRESUME that Pac is innocent until some evidence to the contrary and PRESUME that Marg most likely cheated before because I just don't think its logical to think that he decided to cheat for the Mosley fight for the very first time when it wasn't the biggest fight up till then.

That makes me CONCLUDE that one things isnt the same as the other. Meanwhile I'll let you keep assuming all day long.

[WESS]

WRONG again sucka MC.... one in fact CAN "assume" he's on PEDS because the people AROUND Pac have been involved with PEDS. That is enough to assume just as Roach is assuming Margarito cheated most of his career when IN FACT nobody can prove this....

I NEVER said if it was RIGHT or WRONG.... now your embarrassing yourself trying to jump in when you are missing the logic as the other guy did....

Both parties are assuming... it doesn't matter what validates how they assume there is IN FACT a reason for BOTH parties to do so..... Now if they are right or wrong is to be determined.... Still doesnt change the fact that they are assuming based off what they THINK..... lol

I that case I assume you are an illiterate 8 year old girl. I clearly have evidence to the contrary but I will assume that either way because according to you anybody can assume regardless of whether there is any evidence out there and every position is equally valid.

Actually, you are correct in one aspect and I will go ahead and fix that right nowL: Anybody can assume (and we know what happens to those who do, you make an *ss of you and etc. etc.) I will go ahead and PRESUME that Pac is innocent until some evidence to the contrary and PRESUME that Marg most likely cheated before because I just don't think its logical to think that he decided to cheat for the Mosley fight for the very first time when it wasn't the biggest fight up till then.

That makes me CONCLUDE that one things isnt the same as the other. Meanwhile I'll let you keep assuming all day long.

lol I'll let YOU assume what you want but in the real world weather your a die hard fan or not a fan at all, when you hang out with drug dealers people start to think your a drug dealer.... see the logic?

If you think all the people around Pac are "clean" you are clearly misinformed. One can EASILY assume Pac COULD be taking PEDS when you comprehend the people around him and what THEY have done or BEEN doing. As far as your story of presuming that Pac is clean is false. Yes Pac has never tested positive for PEDS. Then again, neither has Mosley.... (ouch). Again, "THE SYSTEM" has failed, a lot of athletes are ONLY clean because they haven't been busted. If Pac was the one wanting to "clean the sport up" with these tests people would be all over it...

IMO Margarito IS a cheater and Pac IS clean of PEDs BUT with the evidence and FACTS that surround BOTH camps, I can easily assume that Margarito DID in fact cheat more than once in his career and that Pac at one point or another has taken PEDS especially when "he doesn't know what he takes" as Ariza likes to say..... interesting fact may I add especially when Ariza's name is smeared all over the place with PEDS..... With that FACT it's logical that one could assume that he (Ariza and or Roach) STILL might be involved with them and since the system is flawed (as I proved to you with MOSLEY) it is possible that they could be giving them to Pac with Pac knowing or not even knowing at all.... But that's all assumptions. As Roach is doing to Margarito and the Mayweather's are doing to Pac but both have logical reasons.

People just like to ignore certain things just to justify there OWN opinion to favor there fighter.... If you have followed boxing for more than lets say 5 years you would know by now that there is a trend. Every time Mayweather is about to fight someone, he's either scared or a coward, etc etc etc etc etc..... It's the same lame and unlogical story but with a different fighter with the same outcome (so far) every time. Which in return results to even more hate of people being wrong.

People have been saying this garbage most of his career. Hell, I think people even talked shyt saying Gatti would beat his a$$, some said that Baldo (the 147 champ at the time) would be too much for him, so said a Judah would beat him because he was a slick, fast southpaw, they said Hoya was too big and too good for him and he would be his a$$, the Britts said Hatton would KO him, Some experts like Bert Sugar said JMM would give him a lot problems and that he favors him to beat Floyd and a lot of people said Mosley would be "his toughiest fight to date".

People get emotions mixed up and involved like there Floyd's deranged and bi-polar girlfriend which dilutes what he has personally done IN THE RING. What he says and does outside the ring in the sport of boxing to me is completely irrelevant. The same goes for Pac. I just DON'T care. If Mayweather wants to say he's the best that EVER did it than so be it. In order to become that you must think it and that is EASILY understood.

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LOL for what ***en reason?

[letsgobrady]

Again, give me the evidence that "everyone around him" is using or is involved with PEDS and we can go from there. Cause I have evidence that Margarito attempted to cheat once.

You want us to assume the same innocence when there is clear and indisputable evidence to the contrary (Margarito) than when there isnt any at all (Pac). I'm sorry but its much more logical to say that if he cheated once then he probably did it before than to just accuse somebody that has never been involved with you accuse him of. Credibility is a big factor too and I'm sorry but the Mayweather's are not credible in anything they do.

what about all the other peoiple who said that hey think manny is on something?i never thoight manny was on everything but manny is actin like he is the **** but realistically floyd is still the best boxer in the world to everyone manny is just more exciting to everyone

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People get emotions mixed up and involved like there Floyd's deranged and bi-polar girlfriend which dilutes what he has personally done IN THE RING. What he says and does outside the ring in the sport of boxing to me is completely irrelevant. The same goes for Pac. I just DON'T care. If Mayweather wants to say he's the best that EVER did it than so be it. In order to become that you must think it and that is EASILY understood.

People get emotional for sure!! The majority of fans want to see Floyd lose and the majority think Pacquiao will KO Margarito in 5!! Margarito is known for his stamina & iron chin. History tells us that this catchweight will actually favor Margarito, NOT Pacquiao! The trade-off for Pacquiao is the 8th world title!! Pac should still be the favorite, but I think this fight will emulate Pac's fight against Oscar. All speed & movement, but a late round TKO.