who are the top 5 SMM's in the world?

[The Surgeon]

For me CLEARLY the best in the division is

1: Andre Ward

its tight after that but i think its sumit like this

2: Direll
3: Abraham
4: Bute
5: Kessler


Froch woulda been my next choice btw

[S.G.]

thats why degale already backed out of a fight against groves last febuary..

Frank Warren made the offer first, and judging by Team Haye's recent promotional / managerial tactics I'm willing to believe Fwank when he says that their counter-offer was unreasonable.

Anyway, none of that stuff is a reflection on DeGale or Groves, they have basically no say in how they're handled at this point.

[boxingking500]

Frank Warren made the offer first, and judging by Team Haye's recent promotional / managerial tactics I'm willing to believe Fwank when he says that their counter-offer was unreasonable.

Anyway, none of that stuff is a reflection on DeGale or Groves, they have basically no say in how they're handled at this point.

oh so its team haye's fault.. its never that the boxer is scared to fight the other fighter

[gingeralbino]

Frank Warren made the offer first, and judging by Team Haye's recent promotional / managerial tactics I'm willing to believe Fwank when he says that their counter-offer was unreasonable.

Anyway, none of that stuff is a reflection on DeGale or Groves, they have basically no say in how they're handled at this point.

When Adam Booth says one thing, and Frank Warren says another, im of the opinion that they are both lying :-)

[S.G.]

When Adam Booth says one thing, and Frank Warren says another, im of the opinion that they are both lying :-)

Lol, yeah I know. But tbf old Frank hasn't been so bad lately. E.G. DeGale v Paul Smith - he would never have made that fight 10 years ago.

[The Surgeon]

For the record its clear DeGale AND Groves want the fight, Warren didnt fancy it. Now he does and it looks like Hayemaker dont now.

Groves looked better early on but i think Chunky has improved to the point where he is now the better fighter. My Giro would be on Chunky DeGale

[The Surgeon]

Lol, yeah I know. But tbf old Frank hasn't been so bad lately. E.G. DeGale v Paul Smith - he would never have made that fight 10 years ago.

He does seem to be slightly less of a complete and utter wanker these days.

[MiguelDirrell25]

1.Andre Ward
2.Andre Dirrell
3.Lucian Bute
4.AA
5.Sakio Bika

Jus sayin

[MiguelDirrell25]

.... 6.Kessler
7.glen johnson ??
8.Jermain taylor
9.allan green
10. Froch ??

[The Surgeon]

.... 6.Kessler
7.glen johnson ??
8.Jermain taylor
9.allan green
10. Froch ??

Taylor at 8 and Froch at 10???