Haters

[mECHsLAVE]

Well, I think Roy got a lot of hate for the whole DM saga. And then when he took less money and Clinton Woods rather than Jirov for much more money (the fight HBO and fans wanted to see) then around that time there was definitely some question about Roy ducking the best. But then when he beat Ruiz at HW, all was forgiven. But the haters came back out in force after Tarver2.

If he had fought DM and won, then retired after Ruiz he would have gone down as one of the top 3 greatest fighters of modern times. I mean, he would have been immortalized.

But Roy was never really the *true* champ at 175. DM upset the champ Virgil Hill to win the titles at 175. But Roy wouldn't fight him. The belts Roy got at 175 were paper honestly, because they were never won from the champ in the ring- they were stripped from DM for not fighting this guy or that, I forget. Most boxing experts recognize 2 lineages of the LHW championship- one from DM and one from RJJ. DM went unbeaten for 12 years during that whole streak of success Roy had, and beat most all the same guys at LHW that Roy did.

But yes, Roy is a phenomenal fighter. If he beats Tarver, then his legacy will be solidified, but not without a couple glaring blemishes.

[Truth]

Well, it's already started here on boxingscene.com with guys like TheTruth, but people will like Roy a lot more when he's retired. These kids are just finding out how great Roy used to be and expecting him to beat Tarver, and it's all cute, but at least wait til Roy is gone to say he could have beat so and so...

Whats started with people like me?

[Truth]

Other fighters unwillingness to fight RJJ?... Now I've heard it all... LOL!...

You will also notice that there is incredible bias towards Roy Jones Junior, I kind of "blind faith" where as just because Roy says he's great, people believe it... I noticed further up this thread that people refered that to Muhammed Ali. - Difference being../ Muhammed Ali backed it up in the ring... Not only did he fight EVERYONE, he fought EVERYONE several times, and "so what", Muhammed Ali lost a few of them... That doesn't take anything away from his achievements.

Roy Jones Junior fought an endless list of Glen Kelly's and Clinton Woods all the time there were some really meaningfull fights out there he opted not to pursue.

Unfortunatly I had the miss fortune of having to explain his "career defining" fight when he ran from Ruiz for 12 rounds to my friends that are not so familiar with boxing.

They asked me what had happened to Lennox Lewis, "I thought Lennox Lewis was the Heavyweight champion of the World?... How come the papers are saying that RJJ is?"...

I replied - "It's called hood-winking my friend... Lennox Lewis [i]IS[/b] the real heavyweight champion, he hasn't gone anywhere.. This rubbish you're reading in the paper is just some pantomine thing, It's like someone telling you they're the greatest without backing it and fighting the right people... Ignore it."

Roy said in a interview that he called Nigel Benn to fight and Benn wasn't available at the time. Some of Roy's opponents are underated. By the way he didn't run from Ruiz, actually during there fight he faught him straight up. He also got hit with a big punch from Ruiz in the first round and didn't fold.

[JohnL]

Brave

Roy's seeking a Tarver rubber match is the bravest move he has made in a career that sometimes seemed too saftey first. Win or lose all hail and mad props!

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

1) If you don't like a guy talking in 3rd person, you must hate watching sports in general given that many of the top athletes do this. At least Roy doesn't disrespect his opponents by talking about their dead family memebers like some fighters do (Hopkins, Mayorga, etc). Again, hypocracy exposed if you hate RJJ for his talk when there are others talking WAY worse mad ****. Hyping oneself is not as bad as disparaging your opponent along with their family. Also, if you hate Roy because he doesn't promote much...that's just ****** unless you are Don King or Bob Arum. I mean, you ain't making money off of Roy so why should you care whether he shows up to promote or not? Not his job. Silly reason to "hate" anybody.

2) No, Roy didn't duck anyone. This has been over again and again. He fought all the competition at lightheavyweight, the best there was, as did DARIUSZ, but somehow, Roy is the one who ducked everybody...yeah right. People tried to say Roy ducked Tarver for a while and then shut the **** up when Roy fought him. Hell, Roy is fighting Tarver AGAIN. Anyone who wanted to fight the number one p4p fighter needs to go to HIS division and become mandatory, like Woods and Tarver did. They were smart. And I don't wanna hear any old bull**** stories about Roy ducking guys who weren't even in his division like Joe C. That's absurd. Equally absurd is saying he ducked Benn. Roy never had an obligation to fight Benn. You can't say Roy ducked Benn when Benn was past his prime and Roy was moving UP to fight BIGGER fighters anyway.

3) The final thing about Roy's greatness. Haters get offended when someone mentions Roy as an all-time great. Get over yourselves. Roy is an all-time great, end of story, and his resume is good enough to support this, but the best evidence of his belonging with the top 25-30 fighters of all time is the WAY he beat people.

P.S. DM beat Virgil Hill, true, but barely. A large contention feel that Hill won the fight and was unfairly penalized in that fight. Decide for yourself after watching the fight. In any case, Roy stopped him with one shot and DM struggled immensely with him.

[jack_the_rippuh]

I just don't know what to say about the things in topics like these anymore............

This argument will go on until the end of time.

[JUYJUY]

Why Is Roy Jones Jr Disliked/hated So Much?????

He's not. He's grossly over-loved and grossly over-rated. You'd have to be a ****** to think otherwise.

[ROY JONES II]

Roy Is No Different Than Any Other Fighter. It Takes Two To Tango. You Cant Put All This On Roy. Its Alot Of Politics In Boxing. No Matter What He Is Still One Of The Greatest To Ever Lace Up A Set Of Gloves.

[sito1231]

I would just like to say roy jones jr is a very good fighter, but never truly fault to his skill level. I always thought true champion fight the best, and Roy showed me 1% of that.