Floyds greater the Sugar Ray Robinson B#@CH Please

**cmartez** · 10-25-2010, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by trainhard_187

How could any one continue to defend Floyd after a statement hes made that he is better then Sugar Ray Robinson..

Now I wasnt around when SRR was in the game but judging from his activity during his later years..

1965-11-10 160 Joey Archer 159 44-1-0
1965-10-20 161 Rudolph Bent 163 39-41-4
1965-10-01 159 Peter Schmidt 154 22-25-7
1965-09-23 162 Harvey McCullough 157 7-26-2
1965-09-15 162 Neil Morrison 164 3-4-1
1965-08-10 159 Stan Harrington 157� 57-16-1
1965-07-27 161 Harvey McCullough 159 7-25-2
1965-07-12 160� Ferd Hernandez 159� 14-4-2
1965-06-24 Harvey McCullough 7-23-2
1965-06-01 159� Stan Harrington 156� 55-16-1
1965-05-24 160 Memo Ayon 160� 15-4-1 1965-04-28 163 Rocky Randell 159 80-53-15
1965-04-03 161 Earl Bastings 157 10-10-3
1965-03-06 165� Jimmy Beecham 162� 40-30-3
1964-11-27 159� Fabio Bettini 162� 20-10-5
1964-11-14 163 Jean Beltritti 163 6-1-0
1964-11-07 162 Jean Baptiste Rolland 157� 10-4-0
1964-10-24 161 Jackie Cailleau 162 11-10-0
1964-10-12 162 Johnny Angel 162 12-5-1
1964-09-28 161� Yoland Leveque 161� 21-1-0
1964-09-03 163 Mick Leahy 159� 45-15-7
1964-07-27 162 Art Hernandez 160 20-1-0
1964-07-08 161 Clarence Riley 168 21-29-5
1964-05-19 162 Gaylord Barnes 155� 6-25-0
1963-12-09 160� Armand Vanucci 157� 18-5-2
1963-11-29 158 Andre Davier 159 20-10-1
1963-11-16 160� Emiel Sarens 160� 13-2-2
1963-11-09 162 Fabio Bettini 157 18-7-3
1963-10-14 159� Armand Vanucci 159� 18-4-2
1963-06-24 158� Joey Giardello 160� 93-23-7
1963-05-05 161� Maurice Rolbnet 165
1963-03-11 161 Billy Thornton 167
1963-02-25 Bernie Reynolds
1963-01-30 162� Ralph Dupas 149� 98-17-6

Sugar Ray Robinson fought 7 even 8 times in one year.. Floyd is NO WHERE NEAR as great as Sugar Ray Robinson...

How can one still defend Floyds ridiculous claims..

Why is it a ridiculous claim? First of all we have to clear one thing up. Floyd is not GREATER than Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Duran, Leonard, or for that matter Pac. They all had a bit more class. But in terms of being a better boxer.. Please!....its not even close. Floyd is the most technically gifted and accurate boxer to have ever lace up the gloves. Greatness is about how much you've accomplished and the heart you display while doing it. Best is about technicalities. Are you the best if you have a lot of heart but lack defense and true boxing skill? Of course not. Hit and not get hit is the name of the boxing game and no one past or present compares to Floyd. Stats dont lie and results against same era so call good fighters prove that point. Over and over again Floyd has shown why he's the best. The era of over 120 professional fights is over. Those fighters of the past were pioneers that introduced us to the wonderful sport of boxing but just like all other sports things change and athletes get more skilled. Skill for skill who in history compares to Floyd? Being a face forward fighter makes for exciting fights but being technically sound in all the skill levels makes you a complete fighter who wins fights.
You are right...Floyd is NO WHERE NEAR as great as Sugar Ray Robinson...but Floyd is absolutely without a doubt a better more skilled boxer than SSR.

**ummeed** · 10-25-2010, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by trainhard_187

How could any one continue to defend Floyd after a statement hes made that he is better then Sugar Ray Robinson..

Now I wasnt around when SRR was in the game but judging from his activity during his later years..

1965-11-10 160 Joey Archer 159 44-1-0
1965-10-20 161 Rudolph Bent 163 39-41-4
1965-10-01 159 Peter Schmidt 154 22-25-7
1965-09-23 162 Harvey McCullough 157 7-26-2
1965-09-15 162 Neil Morrison 164 3-4-1
1965-08-10 159 Stan Harrington 157� 57-16-1
1965-07-27 161 Harvey McCullough 159 7-25-2
1965-07-12 160� Ferd Hernandez 159� 14-4-2
1965-06-24 Harvey McCullough 7-23-2
1965-06-01 159� Stan Harrington 156� 55-16-1
1965-05-24 160 Memo Ayon 160� 15-4-1 1965-04-28 163 Rocky Randell 159 80-53-15
1965-04-03 161 Earl Bastings 157 10-10-3
1965-03-06 165� Jimmy Beecham 162� 40-30-3
1964-11-27 159� Fabio Bettini 162� 20-10-5
1964-11-14 163 Jean Beltritti 163 6-1-0
1964-11-07 162 Jean Baptiste Rolland 157� 10-4-0
1964-10-24 161 Jackie Cailleau 162 11-10-0
1964-10-12 162 Johnny Angel 162 12-5-1
1964-09-28 161� Yoland Leveque 161� 21-1-0
1964-09-03 163 Mick Leahy 159� 45-15-7
1964-07-27 162 Art Hernandez 160 20-1-0
1964-07-08 161 Clarence Riley 168 21-29-5
1964-05-19 162 Gaylord Barnes 155� 6-25-0
1963-12-09 160� Armand Vanucci 157� 18-5-2
1963-11-29 158 Andre Davier 159 20-10-1
1963-11-16 160� Emiel Sarens 160� 13-2-2
1963-11-09 162 Fabio Bettini 157 18-7-3
1963-10-14 159� Armand Vanucci 159� 18-4-2
1963-06-24 158� Joey Giardello 160� 93-23-7
1963-05-05 161� Maurice Rolbnet 165
1963-03-11 161 Billy Thornton 167
1963-02-25 Bernie Reynolds
1963-01-30 162� Ralph Dupas 149� 98-17-6

Sugar Ray Robinson fought 7 even 8 times in one year.. Floyd is NO WHERE NEAR as great as Sugar Ray Robinson...

How can one still defend Floyds ridiculous claims..

well, what can i say... Floyd is indeed comparable to SRR
at beating his wife...

**B.U.R.N.E.R** · 10-25-2010, 11:02 PM

Ive heard Pac is greater than SRR way more than Floyd.

**clmags12** · 10-25-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by cmartez

Why is it a ridiculous claim? First of all we have to clear one thing up. Floyd is not GREATER than Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Duran, Leonard, or for that matter Pac. They all had a bit more class. But in terms of being a better boxer.. Please!....its not even close. Floyd is the most technically gifted and accurate boxer to have ever lace up the gloves. Greatness is about how much you've accomplished and the heart you display while doing it. Best is about technicalities. Are you the best if you have a lot of heart but lack defense and true boxing skill? Of course not. Hit and not get hit is the name of the boxing game and no one past or present compares to Floyd. Stats dont lie and results against same era so call good fighters prove that point. Over and over again Floyd has shown why he's the best. The era of over 120 professional fights is over. Those fighters of the past were pioneers that introduced us to the wonderful sport of boxing but just like all other sports things change and athletes get more skilled. Skill for skill who in history compares to Floyd? Being a face forward fighter makes for exciting fights but being technically sound in all the skill levels makes you a complete fighter who wins fights.
You are right...Floyd is NO WHERE NEAR as great as Sugar Ray Robinson...but Floyd is absolutely without a doubt a better more skilled boxer than SSR.

Floyd does have skills, but would he be able to maintain his winning style for back to back fights? Floyds legacy will be filled with lots of What Ifs, How Comes? He will be remembered definitely but not in the way he wants or thinks.

**cmartez** · 10-26-2010, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by clmags12

Floyd does have skills, but would he be able to maintain his winning style for back to back fights? Floyds legacy will be filled with lots of What Ifs, How Comes? He will be remembered definitely but not in the way he wants or thinks.

True, he probably should have tested himself more. I believe he's the best ever and there is the question of how he would've done with more fights back to back. But to be honest the way he trains, i think its unrealistic to compare older fighters to him, he's a beast how he trains. He put his body through a lot over the years and his hands are brittle as hell. He's been boxing since age 4, to my knowledge that's not how the old school fighters did it. Were they tougher? Hell yeah. But those day were totally different, they had to fight a lot in order to make their money. But, realistically there's only about 3 fights that he probably should have taken to solidify his claim of greatness. Cotto, Margarito and probably a younger Shane. I personally think he would've been tested a little with Margarito at the time but would've still been victorious. Cotto never was a real threat in my eyes. And Shane never had good defense or head movement. The Floyd that came after the Oscar fight i believe is unbeatable right now. I think because of his defensive stance and pinpoint accuracy no one boxing right now can beat him especially Pac. But that another discussion.

**boxer2k5** · 10-26-2010, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by trainhard_187

How could any one continue to defend Floyd after a statement hes made that he is better then Sugar Ray Robinson..

Now I wasnt around when SRR was in the game but judging from his activity during his later years..

1965-11-10 160 Joey Archer 159 44-1-0
1965-10-20 161 Rudolph Bent 163 39-41-4
1965-10-01 159 Peter Schmidt 154 22-25-7
1965-09-23 162 Harvey McCullough 157 7-26-2
1965-09-15 162 Neil Morrison 164 3-4-1
1965-08-10 159 Stan Harrington 157� 57-16-1
1965-07-27 161 Harvey McCullough 159 7-25-2
1965-07-12 160� Ferd Hernandez 159� 14-4-2
1965-06-24 Harvey McCullough 7-23-2
1965-06-01 159� Stan Harrington 156� 55-16-1
1965-05-24 160 Memo Ayon 160� 15-4-1 1965-04-28 163 Rocky Randell 159 80-53-15
1965-04-03 161 Earl Bastings 157 10-10-3
1965-03-06 165� Jimmy Beecham 162� 40-30-3
1964-11-27 159� Fabio Bettini 162� 20-10-5
1964-11-14 163 Jean Beltritti 163 6-1-0
1964-11-07 162 Jean Baptiste Rolland 157� 10-4-0
1964-10-24 161 Jackie Cailleau 162 11-10-0
1964-10-12 162 Johnny Angel 162 12-5-1
1964-09-28 161� Yoland Leveque 161� 21-1-0
1964-09-03 163 Mick Leahy 159� 45-15-7
1964-07-27 162 Art Hernandez 160 20-1-0
1964-07-08 161 Clarence Riley 168 21-29-5
1964-05-19 162 Gaylord Barnes 155� 6-25-0
1963-12-09 160� Armand Vanucci 157� 18-5-2
1963-11-29 158 Andre Davier 159 20-10-1
1963-11-16 160� Emiel Sarens 160� 13-2-2
1963-11-09 162 Fabio Bettini 157 18-7-3
1963-10-14 159� Armand Vanucci 159� 18-4-2
1963-06-24 158� Joey Giardello 160� 93-23-7
1963-05-05 161� Maurice Rolbnet 165
1963-03-11 161 Billy Thornton 167
1963-02-25 Bernie Reynolds
1963-01-30 162� Ralph Dupas 149� 98-17-6

Sugar Ray Robinson fought 7 even 8 times in one year.. Floyd is NO WHERE NEAR as great as Sugar Ray Robinson...

How can one still defend Floyds ridiculous claims..

im pretty sure your a nobody and not a top level athlete. but its nothing wrong with saying your the best and believing it. i dont see what the big deal is. ali was saying he was the greatest after his first championship fight. you say it you believe it and you prove it. wtf is the big deal. if floyd said his **** stinks more than everyone elses and he believes that whats the big deal? if you dont agree thats on you if you do agree oh well. get a life and get off floyd nuts. if the man feels hes the best its not up to you to prove him wrong you dont mean ****.

the problem is you guys hate floyd because you cant relate to floyd because he makes himself all above you. you think you can relate to manny and others. they all in the same boat. you mother****ers on here cant relate to no boxer period. any top athlete is suppose to say they are the best. **** that modest **** this is the fight game. the only mother ****ers thats modest is *****s like glen johnson. much respect to him but he jsut speaking the truth.

ray robison is prob the goat. even roger mayweather says that. but nothing wrong with floyd beliving in himself and saying he is the best. you think he or any other boxer care bout the names you posted up? as if they could go in the past anf face them all? what about the boxers before ray robison that he never faced? its an endless cycle and the only thing you can do is be the best of your era.

**Pin Galarga** · 10-26-2010, 08:02 AM

Boxing Sacrilege! Floyd is one of the most talented boxers today, but an underachiever and He doesn't deserve to tide Mr. Robinson's shoes. Not even today.

**Pacquiao'd** · 10-26-2010, 08:06 AM

*******s cant stop talking about floyd

**boxer2k5** · 10-26-2010, 08:06 AM

but the thing is noone give him that title. he gives himself that title nothing wrong with that. its jsut these floyd haters and floyd lovers hang off every word hes says. but its nothing wrong at being at the top and saying your the best. people after floyd is going to say they are the best they better than robison lenord and mayweather.

Floyds greater the Sugar Ray Robinson B#@CH Please