Robert Garcia: "I see a lot of MISTAKES in Pac, and his opponents made him look good"

[Eaner0919]

If Margarito was a bigger version of JMM Manny would be in trouble, but good thing for Manny that is in no way an accurate description of Margarito.

nope not at all

my line of thinking was replying to the guy who thought the only way to beat was with speed and both JMM and Morales showed that not to be true

this was in no way to say Margarito and Marquez were similar at all

[mariobrotherpr]

it doesnt matter if you see mistakes.
your fighter doesnt have the skill or quickness to capitalize on those mistakes.

same move every time.

Exactly.

Robert might be a good trainer, and could be right. However, he doesn't have the fighter to exploit weaknesses.

[Dempsey-Roll]

Funny... they all say that.

but come fight night, theyre not gonna do a damn thing to pac.

[Bastian Loc]

In handspeed?

really?

that's new

I always thought it was better overall skills that kept JMM in the fights with Manny and IMO winning both. I always felt it was his impeccable footwork, his accurate punching, and his acumen that showed out over Manny's physical attributes

Its not that new. Look at the punchstats. Look at the exchanges, Marquez got the better of it most of the time, his hands were blazing at 126 and 130.

[Bring It On]

Really? The trainer said that their opponent has flaws and they will win? Wow. I'm putting all my money on Marg then!

[Eaner0919]

Its not that new. Look at the punchstats. Look at the exchanges, Marquez got the better of it most of the time, his hands were blazing at 126 and 130.

blazing? cmon

can you say the same about Morales blazing handspeed?

JMM had good handspeed but no faster than Barrera who got **** kicked by Manny.

it was JMM's smarts and skills that kept him in this and his countering accounts for a large portion of his punch stats or do you disagree about that considering JMM is largely considering the best counterpuncher in the sport?

[Bastian Loc]

blazing? cmon

can you say the same about Morales blazing handspeed?

JMM had good handspeed but no faster than Barrera who got **** kicked by Manny.

it was JMM's smarts and skills that kept him in this and his countering accounts for a large portion of his punch stats or do you disagree about that considering JMM is largely considering the best counterpuncher in the sport?

Morales has slower hands at 126 and 130 but he has a better jab than Marquez and used it, as well as throwing a good straight right which Pac can't block to save his life. That and he backed him up with it.

I partly agree with JMM's skills giving him 2 victories but I also think their speed was comparable at the lower weights, Pac had the edge but it was a matter of degree.

If Marquez committed to his jab like Morales did, we wouldn't even be talking about Pac right now.

[Eaner0919]

Morales has slower hands at 126 and 130 but he has a better jab than Marquez and used it, as well as throwing a good straight right which Pac can't block to save his life. That and he backed him up with it.

I partly agree with JMM's skills giving him 2 victories but I also think their speed was comparable at the lower weights, Pac had the edge but it was a matter of degree.

If Marquez committed to his jab like Morales did, we wouldn't even be talking about Pac right now.

fair enough

[rambov]

See Ricky hatton and Floyd Senior watching the tape on 24/7....same move every time.

It does not matter that he has flaws...his chin and his speed makes up for it.

[PainKiller]

Well, Pac is fast and is is harder to see the mistakes, but Marg is a ****ing guy that does a lot himself.

Pac is like a Mustang car, fast and powerful but skids and is hard to control.

Marg is like a Ford Transit van.