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  • JUYJUY
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    #11
    Originally posted by K-Yo
    what fight was you watching? im from the uk aswell and redi got dominated like no one has ever done before. sure hes washed up but you can only beat whats put infront of you
    Remember Benn-Watson? At the time, the commentators were saying how awesome Benn looked during the Watson fight and that anybody who dared share a ring with him would get destroyed, but now we know that Benn was over-exaggerated at the time and I am sure that we will find out that Lacy is being over-rated soon too. Anybody with a good jab and good movement will cause him problems, if they have a high guard and good stamina they may be able to let him burn himself out before getting him out of there. Have you forgotten Benn-Watson? Lacy remembers me of that in a way, I've seen Lacy throw big shots that miss and then step back to take a few deep breaths.

    Let's look back to Benn-Watson, Benn was 22-0 with 22 KO's at the time and was expected to blast anybody out of the ring, if he beat Watson he was going to be fighting McCallum for the world title and nobody gave McCallum a chance let alone Watson. When the bell rang both men approached each other in great haste. Benn crouched low, while Watson was more erect. Watson pawed out his left but hastily assumed a high guard posture when Benn began to unload a full-blooded succession of left hooks and clubbing right swings that were aimed at Watson's head. The crowd roared at the sound of Benn's gloves thudding off Watson's arms and gloves. But absolutely none connected to any of the vulnerable points on Watson's anatomy. Watson stood up close to Benn so as not to create the distance that would give his opponents swings added potency. He dodged punches and carefully placed a series of jabs and hooks in the few moments Benn paused. As the bell ended the round, both men dropped their guards to give the other a sneer before ambling back to their corners. Benn won the round by sheer quantity of punches thrown but Watson's defensive posture had ensured that little damage -if any, had being sustained. At the same time, the commentators were sucking Benn's **** by saying how sharp he looked and how he awesome he looked, and that Watson was out on his feet which he clearly was not, it was over-exaggerant and it reminds me of Lacy.
    In the second, Benn continued to pile on the pressure while Watson, elbows protecting his ribs and gloves held at the side of his head, kept himself safely tucked up. In this round, his counters were more convincing. The defensive frailties of Benn also came into sharp focus. With about half a minute of the round left, Benn lost concentration and carelessly let his guard down. Watson seized his opportunity and caught him with two left hooks and although Benn came back powerfully with a succession of sweeping left hooks of his own, his error pointed to a recurring tendency in his career which, while not exploited by his previous opponents, would reap grave consequences when made with a fighter of Watson's pedigree.
    In round four, Watson slipped a wild right from Benn and slammed in a right hook. Benn staggered backwards as Watson connected with a series of eight blows; each of which went unreplied. Benn's arms were down to his sides and his groggy demeanour was suggestive of an impending knock out. Then suddenly, with the skin of his back impressed against the ropes, Benn suddenly sprung to life, unleashing four clubbing rights which sent Watson, hands quickly raised, scurrying away in retreat. The crowd roared it's approval, but Benn, although not making eye contact, was quick to pat Watson as they made their ways back to their corners. Watson had broken his heart. The commentators were still screaming that Benn was the ****, that Benn was going to rock the world, that Benn was dominating Watson, but they were far from the truth.
    It was clear that Benn was getting winded in the fifth, but the commentators continued to say how awesome Benn was and that any one of Benn's punches could end the fight before you had a chance to blink, they were so biased and gave off an illusion that Benn was invincible - I guess that Showtime may of done the same last night with Lacy? When Watson suddenly lashed out with some hard lefts to the face, Benn stagnated and then without the prompting of a follow up from Watson, he began to retreat. Watson chased after cautiously, a justifiable attitude validated by Benn's wounded-but-dangerous-like-a-lion threat. For Benn came back and scored with a couple of powerful uppercuts and a crunching left hook, but they were over-exaggerated by the commentary who said that Watson was ready to crumble. Although Benn ended the round on the attack, the seeds of his destruction were already planted. In the sixth, a seemingly innocuous jab-poke from Watson made Benn turn his back to his opponent. As the crowd let out a collective gasp of surprise, the referee walked up to Benn and demanded clarification as to wether he intended to fight on. Benn nodded in the affirmative, but it was obvious that vWatson had broken his heart. The commentators went quiet for a few moments before saying "Uh.. Benn's at his most dangerous when he's hurt remember, umm.. yeah he has the punching power to end this fight right now but maybe wants to get in some rounds" Yeah, ofcourse. Now sensing victory, Watson increased his punch rate until after a pause; both men began to extend their left arms in the motions of executing a jab. Watson's connected first and Benn's body visibly went limp as he fell backwards on to the seat of his trunks.

    Had the referee been biased towards Benn like the referee was biased towards Lacy last night, Benn could of won the Watson fight with dirty tactics like Lacy did last night. Lacy shouldn't start believing his own hype or he'll pay for it, if he starts believing his own hype someone will come along and embarass him. Benn had cut a pathetic figure as he lay prostrate on the ring after being knocked out by a jab, he had started believing his own hype and he simply burned himself out against Watson by wasting too many punches (putting too much effort into punches that aren't landing cleanly ala Lacy). If this Lacy-Reid fight had taken place in England with an unbiased referee, Reid may of done a Watson on Lacy and beat him.

    Lacy needs to go away and improve his boxing or somebody like Mikkel Kessler or Carl Froch will come along and expose him, Benn went away after the Watson defeat to train in America for 18 months and improved his game by being abit more controlled, after losing to Eubank he again went away changing trainers to Jimmy Tibbs and improved his game even more completely. Lacy needs to go away right now and improve his game before he gets exposed, because his shots are a little wide and he becomes a little sloppy and I can see him being exposed by a rangy fighter with a stiff jab who can allow Lacy to waste energy.
    Last edited by JUYJUY; 08-07-2005, 11:08 AM.

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    • Parodius
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      Boy you just don't stop with these excuses.

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      • moochi
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        i don't know why people see calzaghe as the man in the division.....you have to look at current form and age.....and this makes me think that THE ONLY MAN in the division is KESSLER.....and after Kessler could be LACY.....this is the truth and just because KESSLER is not a BRIT or a YANK, doesn't mean that he is to be ignored.

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          #14
          Originally posted by JUYJUY
          You might say I'm being biased, but ****ing nowhere near as biased as you American's are to eachother. No doubt that the American commentators would of over-exaggerated Lacy last night, but just watch the fight with the sound off and watch the fight with an open-mind please.
          uhh you have it completely reversed, bernstein said everything he could to take away from lacys victory. he was gouing crazy when the ref counted it as a kd in the 5th which was THE RIGHT CALL SINCE GAY ASS REID PULLED OUT WITH HIS HANDS DOWN. Redi also fouled the whole time including the very first round when he hit jeff in the back of the head. reid also tried to milk the low blow (which wasnt that bad) for all he could. he also hit lacy in the back so i was very pleased that a ref finally stood up for someone i like instead of it being the other way around. bernstein as usual went for the white fighter in every way possible. reid had never been knocked down including calzaghe in his prime as you claim to think hes not in anymore juyjuy, and lacy knocked him down 4 times. lacy hurt him in the second round so the way reid reacted to those punches i was surprised he was able to hang on until the 7th. he was also made out to be a slick crafty counter puncher. is it just me or did everyone take one look at reid and say "thats obviously bull**** there is no way in hell this guy has any skill". lacy will destroy calzaghe he is a brawler to who will throw more than reid therefore he will leave himself open even more than reid did, and hes been kded by ****ing byron mitchell so his chin is not as good. i say lacy takes cal***gay out in the 6th. you have to be absolutely crazy to think lacy is overrated he showed great accuracy which he usually doesnt, and more speed than usual and of course his usual awesome power. also the jab was snapping reids head back on several occasions. LACY DESTROYED THE GUY FROM ENGLAND WHO YOU WERE ONLY GOING FOR FOR THAT REASON SO GET OVER IT, REID IS A GAY ASS ****** AND HE TRIED TO MAKE EXCUSES AS TO WHY HE LOST AFTER THE FIGHT WHEN HE WAS THE ONE THAT FOULED THE WHOLE TIME.

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            #15
            Calzaghe beat Reid with a broken arm, and this was last century.

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              juyjuy is it jus me or do u hate every american fighter n love english boxers? honestly... not tryna be rude or anything ... im from canada so i got a neutral point here. lacy IMO was impressive considering he was teh first to KD reid, and a few times as well

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                #17
                Originally posted by riz
                lacy IMO was impressive considering he was teh first to KD reid, and a few times as well
                Noooooo, Reid is so washed up it's unreal, watch his last couple of fights before Lacy. If Lacy fails to beat Calzaghe then I hate to think what Calzaghe would of done to him in his prime, ouch.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by riz
                  juyjuy is it jus me or do u hate every american fighter n love english boxers?
                  Most of my favourite fighters are American. I'm a huge fan of Billy Conn and Jake LaMotta. I believe Joe Louis is the best fighter ever. I believe a Prime Tyson would anihilate Lennox Lewis. Heck, I believe a Prime Tucker would beat Lewis too. While masturbating over Benn and Eubank, I also loved Nunn around that time. Toney is a boxing master as far as I'm concerned and would hand Minter his ass. McClellan could knock anybody out with either hand. I love many American fighters and hate many English fighters, for example I'm not a big Naseem Hamed fan and was glad to see him lose because he had it coming.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by JUYJUY
                    I couldn't believe an old, washed up Reid lasted so long in Lacy's backyard. I think this confirms that Lacy is over-rated. This was just Reid's third fight since 2003, he's been very inactive, he's old, very washed up, and he hasn't shown his best form since 1996 and the first half of 1997. Reid did very well with Lacy, much better than I expected, although the biased Showtime commentators would of gave off a perception that Lacy was winning before the fight had even started no doubt.

                    A washed-up, rusty Reid suprisingly won the first two rounds with cleaner punches and better defence than this Lacy guy, Reid was a shadow of his former self last night but watch the fight with the sound off and you'll notice that Reid was landing his jab well and annoying Lacy by avoiding most of Lacy's wide and wild shots. And this was a version of Reid who looked lethargic and uninspired with no snap in his work, yet he was still doing better than Lacy! Reid was the sharper puncher, and he didn't look anywhere near as sharp as he did nine years ago. The referee was extremely biased towards Lacy, as was everybody else in that arena ofcourse, screaming their approval when Lacy threw his wild shots, and probably the Showtime commentators would of been doing the same. Lacy was fighting very dirty due to being frustrated at losing to Reid, in the third round Lacy was landing low blows and landing his forearm to Reid's neck but the referee did nothing. The third round should of been scored even purely because Lacy looked so sloppy that you couldn't really give the round to him, aggressive yes but so sloppy. Reid had to fight not just the referee and Lacy, but everybody in that arena too, and the old man was doing much better than expected.
                    By the time round four came around, Reid was still in control by countering Lacy with his jab and landing cleanly. The frustrated Lacy had to rely on hitting during clinches and he wasn't even warned once! It's very difficult to give round four to Lacy because he missed so many punches, but I guess in America they score fights on aggression and Lacy gets round four on the scorecards because of his aggression alone and because of his help from the referee.
                    In round five, the washed up Reid was robbed in Lacy's backyard because after a headbutt from Reid the referee shouted to stop but Lacy landing a cowardly right hand after Reid dropped his hands and looked at the referee, the referee didn't even take a point away from Lacy let alone disqualify him, the referee had clearly shouted for the action to stop but Lacy caught Reid with a cheating cheap shot. Reid was unlucky that Lacy caught him again which knocked him down just before the bell sounded for the end of the round, and the extremely washed up Reid's dreams of an upset against the prime American in America were over.
                    Reid had been doing well boxing on the inside offensively, but in round six he realised that he had to fight both Lacy and the referee on the inside and so he started fighting from the outside instead, Reid also knew that he had to knock out Lacy to stand any chance of getting a draw. So the old man was probably waiting for the wild, unimpressive Lacy to burn himself out before getting him out of there in the latter rounds. Lacy continued to land low blows, with the referee doing nothing about it, and caught Reid again following a low blow which sent Reid to his knees.
                    In round seven it became clear that Reid was being robbed similarly to when he was being robbed in Germany against Sven Ottke because after Lacy disgracefully landed an elbow the referee took a point away from Reid for holding?! Then Lacy quickly caught an unexpected Reid again, Reid went down but quickly rose again and then the fight was called off. WTF?



                    A prime Lacy beats an old, washed up, rusty and messed up Calzaghe because Calzaghe is not the same fighter he used to be in his prime, Calzaghe has no end of problems outside the ring and in his last few fights he has looked absolutely awful compared to how awesome he used to look. Calzaghe was dropped by very poor journeyman Salem and looked awful in scapring that win, against Veit in his last fight Calzaghe was caught with far too many right hands that stunned him. The Reid that fought Lacy beats the Calzaghe of today. The Lacy that fought Reid beats the Calzaghe of today. The Reid of 1996 and the first half of 1997 beats Lacy every single day of the week, and twice on a Sunday. The Calzaghe of back in the day beats any version of Reid and Lacy on the same night, Calzaghe in his prime (a long time ago) definately dominates this Lacy guy. If Lacy fails to beat an old, washed up, rusty and messed up Calzaghe then just imagine what Calzaghe would of done to him in his prime!
                    You are ****ing pathetic. I mean that in the nicest way.

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                      Originally posted by JUYJUY
                      Remember Benn-Watson? At the time, the commentators were saying how awesome Benn looked during the Watson fight and that anybody who dared share a ring with him would get destroyed, but now we know that Benn was over-exaggerated at the time and I am sure that we will find out that Lacy is being over-rated soon too. Anybody with a good jab and good movement will cause him problems, if they have a high guard and good stamina they may be able to let him burn himself out before getting him out of there. Have you forgotten Benn-Watson? Lacy remembers me of that in a way, I've seen Lacy throw big shots that miss and then step back to take a few deep breaths.

                      Let's look back to Benn-Watson, Benn was 22-0 with 22 KO's at the time and was expected to blast anybody out of the ring, if he beat Watson he was going to be fighting McCallum for the world title and nobody gave McCallum a chance let alone Watson. When the bell rang both men approached each other in great haste. Benn crouched low, while Watson was more erect. Watson pawed out his left but hastily assumed a high guard posture when Benn began to unload a full-blooded succession of left hooks and clubbing right swings that were aimed at Watson's head. The crowd roared at the sound of Benn's gloves thudding off Watson's arms and gloves. But absolutely none connected to any of the vulnerable points on Watson's anatomy. Watson stood up close to Benn so as not to create the distance that would give his opponents swings added potency. He dodged punches and carefully placed a series of jabs and hooks in the few moments Benn paused. As the bell ended the round, both men dropped their guards to give the other a sneer before ambling back to their corners. Benn won the round by sheer quantity of punches thrown but Watson's defensive posture had ensured that little damage -if any, had being sustained. At the same time, the commentators were sucking Benn's **** by saying how sharp he looked and how he awesome he looked, and that Watson was out on his feet which he clearly was not, it was over-exaggerant and it reminds me of Lacy.
                      In the second, Benn continued to pile on the pressure while Watson, elbows protecting his ribs and gloves held at the side of his head, kept himself safely tucked up. In this round, his counters were more convincing. The defensive frailties of Benn also came into sharp focus. With about half a minute of the round left, Benn lost concentration and carelessly let his guard down. Watson seized his opportunity and caught him with two left hooks and although Benn came back powerfully with a succession of sweeping left hooks of his own, his error pointed to a recurring tendency in his career which, while not exploited by his previous opponents, would reap grave consequences when made with a fighter of Watson's pedigree.
                      In round four, Watson slipped a wild right from Benn and slammed in a right hook. Benn staggered backwards as Watson connected with a series of eight blows; each of which went unreplied. Benn's arms were down to his sides and his groggy demeanour was suggestive of an impending knock out. Then suddenly, with the skin of his back impressed against the ropes, Benn suddenly sprung to life, unleashing four clubbing rights which sent Watson, hands quickly raised, scurrying away in retreat. The crowd roared it's approval, but Benn, although not making eye contact, was quick to pat Watson as they made their ways back to their corners. Watson had broken his heart. The commentators were still screaming that Benn was the ****, that Benn was going to rock the world, that Benn was dominating Watson, but they were far from the truth.
                      It was clear that Benn was getting winded in the fifth, but the commentators continued to say how awesome Benn was and that any one of Benn's punches could end the fight before you had a chance to blink, they were so biased and gave off an illusion that Benn was invincible - I guess that Showtime may of done the same last night with Lacy? When Watson suddenly lashed out with some hard lefts to the face, Benn stagnated and then without the prompting of a follow up from Watson, he began to retreat. Watson chased after cautiously, a justifiable attitude validated by Benn's wounded-but-dangerous-like-a-lion threat. For Benn came back and scored with a couple of powerful uppercuts and a crunching left hook, but they were over-exaggerated by the commentary who said that Watson was ready to crumble. Although Benn ended the round on the attack, the seeds of his destruction were already planted. In the sixth, a seemingly innocuous jab-poke from Watson made Benn turn his back to his opponent. As the crowd let out a collective gasp of surprise, the referee walked up to Benn and demanded clarification as to wether he intended to fight on. Benn nodded in the affirmative, but it was obvious that vWatson had broken his heart. The commentators went quiet for a few moments before saying "Uh.. Benn's at his most dangerous when he's hurt remember, umm.. yeah he has the punching power to end this fight right now but maybe wants to get in some rounds" Yeah, ofcourse. Now sensing victory, Watson increased his punch rate until after a pause; both men began to extend their left arms in the motions of executing a jab. Watson's connected first and Benn's body visibly went limp as he fell backwards on to the seat of his trunks.

                      Had the referee been biased towards Benn like the referee was biased towards Lacy last night, Benn could of won the Watson fight with dirty tactics like Lacy did last night. Lacy shouldn't start believing his own hype or he'll pay for it, if he starts believing his own hype someone will come along and embarass him. Benn had cut a pathetic figure as he lay prostrate on the ring after being knocked out by a jab, he had started believing his own hype and he simply burned himself out against Watson by wasting too many punches (putting too much effort into punches that aren't landing cleanly ala Lacy). If this Lacy-Reid fight had taken place in England with an unbiased referee, Reid may of done a Watson on Lacy and beat him.

                      Lacy needs to go away and improve his boxing or somebody like Mikkel Kessler or Carl Froch will come along and expose him, Benn went away after the Watson defeat to train in America for 18 months and improved his game by being abit more controlled, after losing to Eubank he again went away changing trainers to Jimmy Tibbs and improved his game even more completely. Lacy needs to go away right now and improve his game before he gets exposed, because his shots are a little wide and he becomes a little sloppy and I can see him being exposed by a rangy fighter with a stiff jab who can allow Lacy to waste energy.
                      A circus style venue, dubbed the super tent, was erected in North London's Finsbury Park. The excitement on the night of the fight, 21st May 1989, was palpable both to attendees and viewers on national television where it was broadcast live. The rituals to the build up were flamboyantly staged and focussed on Benn who, along with his handlers, were treating the whole event as the prelude to some sort of coronation. Watson was aware of this, having conceded top billing to the superior box office appeal of Benn whom the bookmakers favoured at three to one. He would enter the ring first, but his manager Mickey Duff had warned the Benn camp that Watson would leave the ring if their pre-fight festivities went on longer than two minutes.

                      A tackily designed stage door, inscribed with the words BENN IS BAD (in the graffiti art style of Michael Jackson's album 'Bad') was to be Benn's point of introduction. First out was a marching detachment of soldiers from Benn's old army regiment, the Royal Fusiliers. They lined up on either side of the path leading to the ring to form a sort of guard of honour. Then four long legged beauties bearing the Union Jack emerged and made their way to the ring. Finally, the door opened to reveal Benn attired in glittering sequined hooded attire laced with gold trimmings. To the accompaniment of a throbbing raggae beat, Benn posed 'bad boy style' waving his gloves in the air before setting off along with his entourage on a jog to the ring. In the ring he disrobed to reveal matching sequined shorts and a plaited hairstyle that had necessitated a four-hour appointment with his hair designer. Benn later blamed the loss on his haircut good ole Nige.

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