If Khan beats Maidana he is > Hatton

[PainKiller]

Witter is NOT C level.

Holt is NOT a bum.

I'm hoping those comments were deliberate trolling.



Carry on, gentlemen.

What level do you put witter at may I ask?

[j.one]

**** all that Kahn gotta face Alexander or Bradley winner, Maidana beat a contender nothing more, people acting like Khan is taking a fight with the best ever, it's nothing more than him finally facing a guy that can punch, he is still not fighting the best yet.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Exaggeration.

Witter is maybe B- level to me. He is not A for sure.

Holt is not a bum, but he is not a good fighter to me. He really doesn;t impress me at all

Witter isn't A, but he's a B guy. He'll only lose clearly against the A guys and the B+ guys.


Holt is definitely B level ability-wise. Unless you're one of the elite few who can have bad nights against solid opposition and still win, you won't get by him unless you're bringing your A game.



The thing about guys like Witter and Holt is, while they aren't A class or elite, they *are* great measuring sticks for other guys' ability - how a fighter performs against them (not just winning, but the manner of the win) will tell you something significant about where he's at and what his potential is. Much of that owes to their styles and attributes (in Holt's case). Nobody ever really had things their way with Witter until Bradley came along, even the guys who beat him or had a case for having beaten him didn't look great, due to his persistent awkwardness, yet Bradley beat Witter at boxing chess, picked him apart and looked great doing it. As for Holt, he's quick, possesses excellent attributes for 140 and can definitely hit (imagine Khan-Holt, it wouldn't be an easy night at all for Amir)...it's clear he's fallen back a step since losing to Bradley, we'll see if he re-dedicates, but, even if you can question his mental consistency, he was a tough fight for all but the very best fighters (the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos, if we're talking this era). You might make it look easy if you're a Tim Bradley, but that requires serious ability and your A game present and correct. People downgrade Holt for having struggled with Torres' power, but, who didn't at 140? Torres gave Cotto a torrid night.

[Mr Punch.]

Khan's career will be over after the Maidana fight.

[DET. IRONSIDE]

Khan's career will be over after the Maidana fight.

He can always milk the domestic circuit, chase the IBF belt and try to get back into the mix....

[Mr Punch.]

He can always milk the domestic circuit, chase the IBF belt and try to get back into the mix....

Yeah maybe, but he will always be laughed at and called "Chinny" especially if Maidana knocks him out.

[KnockUTheFukOut]

Peterson was hyped in the US. He aint nobody until he proves it.

Kotelnik beat Maidana aswell as getting robbed with Alexander

Campbell was NC, I forgot about that, but Campbell is a ***** to take it to court. So take that off

Witter is ****. I am from the UK and he is not good at all. He's C level.

Holt is a bum and lost after. Torress isn;t great either, just a guy with power.

Vasquez didnt destroy prescott, he used moivement to win....

Bradley does not have a better resume than all 3 combined.

You are delusional, none were in their prime.

Error on my part I didn't mean to say Vazquez destroyed Prescott I meant to say "Vasquez beat the guy that DESTROYED Khan in 54 second"


but LOL at Witter being a C Level Fighter...OK that pretty much ends this Dialog, it is easy to say that now AFTER he lost to Bradley and Alexander but when Bradley fought Witter again he was on a great winning streak and hadn't lost a fight in 7 years, by the way the guy your trying to Hype Kotelnik......yeah.....Mr "C Level Fighter" Junior Witter beat him back in 2004 or 2005 but according to you Kotelnik is good but Witter was a C-Level Fighter...hahahaha

you didn't post a damn thing note worthy to prove that those 3 Overrated Fighters Resume combined are better, again Combine they have 2 losses and it should be 3, one guy quit and the other got KO'd by a NOBODY and didn't even try to avenge his loss against that NOBODY

Bradley is that best at 140 PERIOD until proven other wise, the others can have the HYPE, money, fame and glory in the spotlight but to prove they are the best at 140 they have to beat Bradley who is ranked #1 at 140 by MOST if not ALL

[KnockUTheFukOut]

Witter isn't A, but he's a B guy. He'll only lose clearly against the A guys and the B+ guys.


Holt is definitely B level ability-wise. Unless you're one of the elite few who can have bad nights against solid opposition and still win, you won't get by him unless you're bringing your A game.



The thing about guys like Witter and Holt is, while they aren't A class or elite, they *are* great measuring sticks for other guys' ability - how a fighter performs against them (not just winning, but the manner of the win) will tell you something significant about where he's at and what his potential is. Much of that owes to their styles and attributes (in Holt's case). Nobody ever really had things their way with Witter until Bradley came along, even the guys who beat him or had a case for having beaten him didn't look great, due to his persistent awkwardness, yet Bradley beat Witter at boxing chess, picked him apart and looked great doing it. As for Holt, he's quick, possesses excellent attributes for 140 and can definitely hit (imagine Khan-Holt, it wouldn't be an easy night at all for Amir)...it's clear he's fallen back a step since losing to Bradley, we'll see if he re-dedicates, but, even if you can question his mental consistency, he was a tough fight for all but the very best fighters (the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos, if we're talking this era). You might make it look easy if you're a Tim Bradley, but that requires serious ability and your A game present and correct. People downgrade Holt for having struggled with Torres' power, but, who didn't at 140? Torres gave Cotto a torrid night.

EXACTLY!!!

Sadly these guys are just looking at Boxrecs or what ever and just coming up with assumptions of how good or bad these fighters was, Witter was a damn good fighter, never said he was Elite but he was very good especially in his PRIME

[Dave Rado]

Some might argue he allready is, I mean Hatton had a terrible resume, heres his best wins

Urango (Urango is garbage and so was this fight)
Collazo (Collazo actually won this fight)
Tzsyu (was so shot it's not even funny)
Maglinaggi (It's Maglinaggi)
Castillo (during his ringwalk the commentators proclaimed him a shot fighter)

Khans best wins

Kotelnik (this guy is better than anyone hatton beat, YES IM SERIOUS, khan also shut him out)
Maglinaggi (Same as Hatton, but khan beat him better)
Barerra (old and small, but probably equal to castillo in terms of what he offered)

Add Maidana to that list and Khan unquestionably surpasses Hatton.

Your bias is so extreme that it's pointless to even try to have an intelligent discussion with you.

Are you just trolling? Because if you actually want to have a boxing discussion with people who know something about the sport, which is supposed to be the point of these forums, you'll have to stop being so ridiculously biased.

[PainKiller]

Very good post Rages. Witter is a b fighter, he lost to judah whommat the time was a - perhaps. I still don't really feel holt is special, hr hurts but he isnt a 12 round fighter and that has caused himmto not ko all the guys. A pro trains for all12.' i cant reply too much, on i phone.

As for knock, ure the boxrec guy. Kotelnik had a case of winning actually vs witter, i gurantee u didnt see that fight.'

I agree bradley is the better fighter, but he resume is n better than all 3 put together. If u hold the witter win over kotelnik then u hold that win over him
With alex. Holt is not ko'ing bradley and surely not out ng him.'campbell was bankrupted and not hngry and it was a nc. Peterson is a nobody and he has fought who? Cherry is decent but not a great win. Vasquez is ok but still he bea prescott who was beaten again after. Yeah he knocked khan out, but hes just a ****er. If ure gonna name vasquez then **** ill name barwrra and the ither guys with ok records for all of them.