Comments Thread For: Berto vs Mosley Eliminator For Pacquiao is Needed

[GRUSTLER]

Yes Pac in al ATG list ranks higher than Floyd if both retire right now. No fighter in his history besides Pac has won a lineal Flyweight title and a lineal featherweight title. 2 of the original 8 weight-classes. That is over a 100 years of history. Pac is the first to win a lineal from flyweight and junior welterweight. That is over 70 years in history. And, no fighter has won 4 lineal titles ever. EVER, again another first in history. And, he won those titles in weight-classes that has been around at least 70 years.

Floyd has 5(2 of them paper titles) titles in regular weight-class. Pac has 6(2 of them paper titles) titles in regular weight-class. So why does that put Pac down to you?

Floyd has won lineal titles in 3 divisions(no catchweight), Pac has won lineal titles in 4 divisions(no catchweight). So why does that put Pac down.

Pac first win against a prime Barrera is better than any win in Floyd resume. And, Floyd has never beat anybody who is as prime versatile version as that Barrera.

LOL @ bring PPV numbers as a way to try and give Floyd the edge for ATG's. If that is the case Oscar De la Hoya is a top 10 ATG fighter.

Come on man, anyways I hope this clear your views a little more as to how Pac ranks higher than Floyd if both retire for good right now. But, it probably won't since you seem blinded. So whatever is cool.

I'm just calling it how I see it. I have no personal feelings invested
in Pacquiao or Mayweather and for the record my vision is just fine.
Floyd has NEVER fought for a title at a catchweight. Both will go
down as ATG but Floyd has had an almost flawless career against
opponents.

[jrosales13]

This is the biggest myth going right now. That Pac has some how magically leap frogged every fighter from his era.



going undefeated through 5 weight classes
Being a 9-10 World Champion
Barely losing rounds
Top 10 P4Pounder 12 out of the 14 years hes been a pro.
Winning 2 Lineal WW titles in his 4th weight class

I mean the guy was a prospect with 16 fights when he beat Genaro Hernandez.

Since when is that something to sneeze at? Floyd is severely underrated on this site . People forget how great of a career hes had.

Its ridiculous. People let their girl like hate blind them on how much work hes really put in. His career didnt start in 2007.

So to say that its clear cut that Pac is greater like its fact. Is crazy.

I have rank these 2 neck and neck. There is no win outside of beating Martinez or Williams or a fight vs each other that can separate them. IMO.

You think hes higher thats your opinion. More power to you. I think they are dead LOCKED even.

You ranking Pac ahead is based on "How YOU view his accomplishments". Maybe you overrate them. Maybe you don't.

Its all subjective. Its not set in stone at all.

Nobody is saying Floyd hasn't accomplish anything. He is an ATG so don't get your panties in a bunch. Calm that **** down.

What people are saying he hasn't accomplishment or had the historical accomplishment that Pac has.

And, if both retire RIGHT NOW. And, any un-biased person would rank Pac ahead. Neck and neck would be Floyd and Roy. However, Pac if he retires RIGHT NOW would edge out both.

And, that is no disrespect or hate to Floyd or Roy or any fighter of this era. Only Floyd fans would disagree that Pac does not rank higher than Floyd. Case and point......

However, to be fair they're both still fighting. So who knows what either accomplishes after this. They both fight and Floyd wins and both retire Floyd ranks higher. Floyd ever wins a MW title while Pac keeps feasting at Top Rank fighter Floyd could very well surpass Pac. But, if both retire RIGHT NOW Pac would edge it out.

Not saying that you should sneeze at Floyd great accomplishments.

[amayseng]

Amay, I usually see where you comin from homie, but I cant agree with the bolded. Berto steped up his comp in Quintana, and crushed his in very convincing fashion. He showed alot of speed, footwork, angles, and variety of punches to get Quintana outta there. That looked like he was starting to come into his own, rather than a "decrease in ability". Now I admit that the Urango scrap was dry at best, but if we go off the "what have you done for me lately" scheme of things, Berto looked hella good. He looked every bit the WBC Champ at 147.

understood my friend, im thinking back to urango and collazo where many had him losing and berto just didnt box or look good against collazo who he should have blown out when you compare skills. as far as quintana, i think he was physically shot therefore i dont give a lot of credit on that win.

[jrosales13]

I'm just calling it how I see it. I have no personal feelings invested
in Pacquiao or Mayweather and for the record my vision is just fine.
Floyd has NEVER fought for a title at a catchweight. Both will go
down as ATG but Floyd has had an almost flawless career against
opponents.

Right, Floyd has never fought for a title at a catch-weight in his first 5 weight-classes.

Pac didn't fight for a title at a catch-weight in his first 6 of the 8 weight-classes he moved up in.

So I still having trouble understanding your point about the catch-weight. Because, you take that off. Because, you take those catch-weight titles off and Pac has 6 titles in regular weight-classes to Floyd 5.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Nobody is saying Floyd hasn't accomplish anything. He is an ATG so don't get your panties in a bunch. Calm that **** down.

What people are saying he hasn't accomplishment or had the historical accomplishment that Pac has.

And, if both retire RIGHT NOW. And, any un-biased person would rank Pac ahead. Neck and neck would be Floyd and Roy. However, Pac if he retires RIGHT NOW would edge out both.

And, that is no disrespect or hate to Floyd or Roy or any fighter of this era. Only Floyd fans would disagree that Pac does not rank higher than Floyd. Case and point......

However, to be fair they're both still fighting. So who knows what either accomplishes after this. They both fight and Floyd wins and both retire Floyd ranks higher. Floyd ever wins a MW title while Pac keeps feasting at Top Rank fighter Floyd could very well surpass Pac. But, if both retire RIGHT NOW Pac would edge it out.

Not saying that you should sneeze at Floyd great accomplishments.

I disagree. Were going in circles.

Like I said from jump. Some rank him higher. Some rank Floyd higher.

I have them even. I dont rate what Pac has done as high as you do.

This guy is still in his prime. What if hes KO'd in his prime vs a past it Margarito? That hurts his case for being ranked higher than Floyd big time.

Like I said you think hes higher. I dont. You will come across people with both view points.

When they fight each other. Or when one of them beats Williams or Martinez. Then they'll edge each other out.

Buit based on whats already happen. Hell no. I dont rank a Cotto, Diaz, Clottey win THAT high. Both fighters still have to work to do and our both in the 40-50 range.

[amayseng]

You complaining about 1-2 holding and have Bernard on your AV.

watch the trinidad, tarver and pavlik fights then get back to me

[indystress]

FELONY FRAUD *****S keep talking about pacs catchweigh fights (delahoya and cotto)...the delahoya fight wasnt pacs idea...and so they agreed to meet in the middle....if not a catchweight fight for this, the fight wouldnt have been made and the dream fight wouldnt had happened...i dont even consider the fight against delahoya as a real fight, it was just basically an exhibition...the cotto fight was the real catchweight, but 1 pound below cotto official weigh in weight, is that something to cry over about for these *****s? didnt you see cotto on fight nite? he weighed his usual self that he normally does on fight nite...even cotto said the catchweight didnt affect him, it was mannys speed and the fact that he didnt know or see where the punches were coming from...i dont understany why ***** talking for cotto that cotto was weight drained.

atleast the catchweight is to make for fair and even playing field...now look at *****S man love for FELONY FRAUD...fraud had a jr welterweight (hatton) come up one division to fight him, then had a lightweight (marquez) move up two divisions to welterweight to fight him...now his next fight might be against another jr welterweight (khan) to move up one division.

FELONY FRAUDs accepting to fight lighter guys are more fraud than pacquiaos catchweight fights (except for the delahoya fight) because the catchweight was/is being set at a weight thats comfortable for his opponant...make noise when pac makes his opponant come down one division (in delahoyas case, it was two), not a pound (in cottos case) or two (will be in margaritos case, but he could also easily make 147)...

while FELONY FRAUD continue to fight smaller weight division guys, pac is fighting bigger division guys...FELONY FRAUD GAYWETTER is a bigtime FRAUD!!!

[jrosales13]

I disagree. Were going in circles.

Like I said from jump. Some rank him higher. Some rank Floyd higher.

I have them even. I dont rate what Pac has done as high as you do.

This guy is still in his prime. What if hes KO'd in his prime vs a past it Margarito? That hurts his case for being ranked higher than Floyd big time.

Like I said you think hes higher. I dont. You will come across people with both view points.

When they fight each other. Or when one of them beats Williams or Martinez. Then they'll edge each other out.

Buit based on whats already happen. Hell no. I dont rank a Cotto, Diaz, Clottey win THAT high. Both fighters still have to work to do and our both in the 40-50 range.

Exactly, that is why I said who knows what would happen later. That is why I keep saying RIGHT NOW. As if both retired TODAY, RIGHT NOW, DON'T EVER FIGHT AGAIN.... Pac would be rank higher by un-biased fans and most respectable lists.

[GRUSTLER]

Right, Floyd has never fought for a title at a catch-weight in his first 5 weight-classes.

Pac didn't fight for a title at a catch-weight in his first 6 of the 8 weight-classes he moved up in.

So I still having trouble understanding your point about the catch-weight. Because, you take that off. Because, you take those catch-weight titles off and Pac has 6 titles in regular weight-classes to Floyd 5.

Right! Floyd didn't and Pac did. So how does that make his
accomplishments so much more than Floyd's? Floyd is undefeated
and held his title(s) undefeated for like 10 years. We can't take them
catchweights off Pac's resume because it happened and is happening.
My thing is, Floyd moved up and beat opponents in higher weight
classes on his skills alone. Never needed any assistance or handicap
to give him the edge. Floyd has never been KO'd. He has had a near
dominate career. I agree Pac is an ATG but to me, in my honest opinion,
Floyd's career has been more impressive while Pac's has been more
entertaining.

[jrosales13]

Right! Floyd didn't and Pac did. So how does that make his
accomplishments so much more than Floyd's? Floyd is undefeated
and held his title(s) undefeated for like 10 years. We can't take them
catchweights off Pac's resume because it happened and is happening.
My thing is, Floyd moved up and beat opponents in higher weight
classes on his skills alone. Never needed any assistance or handicap
to give him the edge. Floyd has never been KO'd. He has had a near
dominate career. I agree Pac is an ATG but to me, in my honest opinion,
Floyd's career has been more impressive while Pac's has been more
entertaining.

Wow..........

My math skills might not be up to par. But, I think 6 is greater than 5.

Pac didn't fight for a catch-weight to win titles in his first 6 weight-classes. Floyd didn't fight to win a title at a catch-weight for his for his first 5 weight-classes.

Again maybe wrong but 6 is more so than 5 right?

So I guess if Floyd fights for a 7 World title at a catch-weight then it should count against him that he is going for a SMW strap.

Anyways of course to you Floyd would rank higher. But, if both retire right now Pac would be higher by un-biased fans.