PunchStat numbers are fake

[APryor]

It's bad enough that idiots quote PunchStat numbers as if all punches were equal... Even more infuriating is that people treat these numbers as gospel. Are fans under the impression that PunchStat is some high tech, highly accurate super computer which uses lasers and some real NASA **** to record punches landed?

It's a couple of clowns in the crowd pressing buttons.

HBO never really mentions this, because it would embarrass who ever came up with the "PunchStat" idea. It is less reliable than Olympic scoring. It has no business being taken seriously.

I guess it is OK if forum posters are citing PunchStat statistics, but now I am seeing serious boxing journalists treat them as gospel. This is disgusting. PunchStat is a total fraud. It should NEVER be mentioned without a disclaimer that it is really just two clowns in the crowd pressing buttons.

[savorduhflavor]

Not fake, just inaccurate. It's just a human tallying punches, they're as subjective as anything.

[Kevin Malone]

Not fake, just inaccurate. It's just a human tallying punches, they're as subjective as anything.

Exactly. I don't know of anyone credible who treats them as gospel.

[Medved]

Yep its a total SHAM. Why dont they put some RFID chips in each glove and have both boxers gloves linked together? The computer ringside will be able to check if a punch lands or not by the location of everything. Sure it will cost a mil or two to develop fully but it will take the boxing game to a whole new level.

Theres also a way you can do it with having a 4d camera layout on top and around the ring that will graph the whole fight and will be able to map and see the clean punches and track them all.

Both of these methods work but they cost money to develop. Its a drop in the bucket if HBO,SHOWTIME all pitch in and work on this.

Dont forget the punchstat guy can be payed off and is prone to human error especially when you got fast punchers.

[APryor]

Not fake, just inaccurate. It's just a human tallying punches, they're as subjective as anything.

Exactly. So to quote them as "fact" is ridiculous.

Not only do they not mention how low-tech and unscientific PunchStat actually is, now they don't even say "according to PunchStat..." Now they just say "Mr. X landed 163 out of 299 punches..."

TOTAL BULL****

[boxing2106]

the whole fight was fake

[-EX-]

Only way to know is by watching the fight...you score round by round, not by punch stats anyway...

[APryor]

Exactly. I don't know of anyone credible who treats them as gospel.

Go read Steve Cofield's articles about last night's fights over on Yahoo.

OK, Cofield is a hack, but this quoting of PunchStat statistics (without even mentioning "according to PunchStat" or explaining how the numbers were determined) is really starting to tilt me.

[Kevin Malone]

Dont forget the punchstat guy can be payed off

Has no effect on the official judges as they don't have access to the numbers so I don't see the point.

[Medved]

Has no effect on the official judges as they don't have access to the numbers so I don't see the point.

Yes thats true but the fact remains is that the punchstats guys are biased to particular fighters, these arent just general workers they are either former boxers or other industry guys who have their prefrence. HBO uses the punchstat as the holy grail and this really affects the viewers score cards and opinions.

Yesterday was the perfect example of this, the UK HBO Feed had the fight close with an edge to mora and had logical discussion while the US HBO feed was just hating on everything and using the punch stat to judge the fight.

99% of the people who saw the fight saw the US Version and thats why everyone is crying Mosley got robbed because they are swayed by HBO's bias.