two questions on B-Hop's all time standing...

[Tyson.]

Seriously, what a joke.


I'll stick to debating the likes of Street Bully and Natas, better, more valuable, more knowledgeable Hopkins fans than you.

They also show respect, and don't disregard everything Roy has done, as if every accomplishment he's done is nothing.

Why would I ever debate someone who literally uses an excuse for every single one of Roys accomplishments and over exaggerates and blows up Bernard.

Not too mention using the 2010 rematch as a reason he's better

Don't waste your time, cartoons are on.

Hopkins beat RJJ quite clearly.

If you still think RJJ is the better fighter then thats your problem. I just dont see how anyone could of scored the rematch for RJJ.

[Truth]

Hopkins won clearly. But how serious can you take a fight between two fighters over 40?

[JBell11]

B-hop

If B-Hop beats Pascal, then Dawson would that move him into the top 10 fighters or all time?

no because his losses to jones, taylor, and calzaghe far outweigh a win against pascal and dawson.

2.) If B-Hop faught until he was 50, beating top young talent, where would he rank all time then?

top 200 depends on who it is he's fighting...if he's beating up middleweights, it doesn't show up on the radar

That is an excellent question, personally, I am a fan of Bernard Hopkins, however, I do believe that he avoided Dawson before the Pascal fight. In my opinion of the matter, I think he (B-HOP) was downgraded for taking the fight with Pascal. I firmly believe that he took the lesser road in the situation, now i'm sure there are many circumstances that are considered when the decision was made to fight Pascal over Dawson, but if you are talking about an "ATG", I have to considered the idea of taken all-comers regardless of monetary benefit. In my opinion Dawson deservedly had a shot against B-HOP. B-HOP did not bite. So if he fights Dawson AFTER the fact I think it's one fight too late. It would've meant more before Pascal.

I guess to answer your question (complex), I guess he would be considered an ATG with his resume currently minus Pascal and Dawson. However a Dawson fight before Pascal would have been "IT" for me.

For me? Maybe it's more of a testament that Dawson was calling out people like Calzaghe,Jones, and Hopkins when he (Dawson) was coming up.

[jrosales13]

Tyson was past prime after the spinks fight. He actually KOed Douglous but the ref gave buster a long count which saved him.

Holmes got a gift decison against 2 and was lucky to survive Shavers.

Tito got f#cked up by Hopkins get over it man.

Why are Holmes, lewis and Holyfield better than Tyson? Jones better than Hopkins. Is it because you dislike Hopkins and Tyson as they are muslim ?

Yes that is the reason why. Damn you got me.

Anyways can we be serious for a second. Tyson was still in his prime after Spinks. He was in his prime when he got KTFO by Douglas who was a journeyman/lower tier contender.

And, yes Tito got stopped by Hopkins. But, I am going to use your lame ass excuse and say Tito wasn't in his prime. His prime weight and the weight where he was at his best at was WW.

[Light_Speed]

1) No.

2) That would secure his position as a top 30 ATG.

[jrosales13]

Hopkins beat RJJ quite clearly.

If you still think RJJ is the better fighter then thats your problem. I just dont see how anyone could of scored the rematch for RJJ.

No knowledgeable fan who understood the situation at the time of both fighters. Takes that fight into account.

[ИATAS]

Hopkins & Jones fans should live in harmony, they are both two of the best of their eras, each accomplished something the other didn't and each had their own unique, but equally as great legacy.

Hopkins losing to Jones in '93 is no knock on hopkins, as a young Roy Jones was damn near unbeatable. If anything, instead of criticizing hopkins for the loss he should be praised as giving a young Jones a good tough competitive fight which isn't something most people could say back then, including James Toney.

Further, that fight helped make hopkins become the great fighter he was, as he learned a great deal from that, as I'm sure Jones did too.

The rivalry between the two lasted for years, but as their careers are both almost to an end, it's time to reflect on their amazing careers and respect each of them as they will forever be linked. 20 years from now bring up the name Roy Jones and Hopkins named will instantly be mentioned and vice versa.

[djtmal]

Tyson was past prime after the spinks fight. He actually KOed Douglous but the ref gave buster a long count which saved him.

aw man this is good stuff right here...let me go get my popcorn

[Truth]

1) No.

2) That would secure his position as a top 30 ATG.

how could he move to your top 10?

[Tyson.]

Yes that is the reason why. Damn you got me.

Anyways can we be serious for a second. Tyson was still in his prime after Spinks. He was in his prime when he got KTFO by Douglas who was a journeyman/lower tier contender.

And, yes Tito got stopped by Hopkins. But, I am going to use your lame ass excuse and say Tito wasn't in his prime. His prime weight and the weight where he was at his best at was WW.

Tyson was not KTFO by Douglous. He actually KOed Douglous but the ref gave him extra time to recover. Watch the fight then you would know this.

Tito got f#cked up end of story, get over it.

No knowledgeable fan who understood the situation at the time of both fighters. Takes that fight into account.

So right now whos better Hopkins or RJJ?

How did you score the rematch then if you think RJJs better.