Why Drug Testing Doesn’t Worry Boxers/MMA Fighters Much

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  • LMFAO
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    Why Drug Testing Doesn’t Worry Boxers/MMA Fighters Much

    Can scientists detect hGH (Human Growth Hormone) in a urine test?

    Not any time soon.

    So is testing the urine of MMA athletes and boxers a complete farce?

    Yes, it is…

    The California State Athletic Commission only tests urine, and since only the most unsophisticated users of performance-enhancing drugs would fail to understand the testing process, what have you got for your trouble?

    Nada. Zip. Zilch. A sham of a mockery of a travesty of a sham.

    “Our work has not shown that we are going to be able to detect growth hormone in urine,” said Dr. Don Catlin, President and CEO of Anti-Doping Research, Inc.

    “An effective test for human growth hormone has been a key priority for many of us working in the field of sports anti-doping. We now have reached a critical juncture, and I invite sports organizations and unions, anti-doping agencies and other science experts to set a meeting to discuss the issues related to hGH testing.

    We need an open discussion with experts from the National Football League, Major League Baseball, World Anti-Doping Agency, United States Anti-Doping Agency and other concerned agencies regarding where the science stands today and where it’s likely to go. I know that all involved parties, including MLB and their players association, WADA, and scientists such as Peter Sonksen and others, are deeply committed to ridding sport of hGH.

    Coming together, talking to each other, presenting data, sharing information and pooling resources, we can and will get there. Let’s not hesitate to do so.”

    All well and good, but what about right now?

    David Mayo, the boxing writer for the Grand Rapids Press and one of the best in the business, interviewed chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Association, Travis Tygart, and the answers Tygart came back with underscore the futility of current fighter drug testing policies.

    Q: Does anyone slip through the cracks regarding drug testing?

    A: “Let me correct that premise for you. The current state of drug testing done by these state commissions is a joke. They don’t test for EPO. They don’t test for designer steroids. They test for a basic, simple menu that anybody with a heartbeat will escape. I just hate to hear that Shane Mosley did something really sophisticated to get around their testing. No, he didn’t. He would’ve been caught dead to rights in our program. But it doesn’t take a whole lot to sidestep the simple kind of drug testing that these state commissions are doing.

    “Again, I hope it’s familiarity, I hope it’s knowledge, because part of the growth is for en******, but also athletes, to become knowledgable about these issues. If you’re a clean athlete, or you’re a sport organizer, promoter, state commission, whatever, if you want to protect clean athletes’ rights, you’re going to put in a clean program.”

    Q: And that includes both blood and urine testing?

    A: “Blood and urine but it’s got to be an effective urine program. Again, just a couple tests here and there that everyone knows about, or 72-hour notice that you’re going to be tested, or 48-hour notice — it has to be true, no-notice testing. And it has to be a broad menu of tests. And they don’t test for EPO. What was reported on Mosley is that he was using EPO. And he could use it without regard for being caught because they weren’t testing it — and there is a urine-based test for most EPO. So you’ve got to start with an effective urine program and an effective blood program. And the reason, to answer your specific question, that you need to do blood is because there are certain, and several, potent performance-enhancers that are not detected in the urine. Of those, human growth hormone being one; HBOC, which is synthetic hemoglobin; certain forms of EPO, like Micera; and then, the transfusions.”

    Q: If you blood test, is urine testing necessary at all?

    A: “Yes, because there are certain things that you’re not going to find in the blood, that you can only find in urine, like most forms of EPO, steroids, designer steroids, insulin. You have to have a combination of the two. Look, I’d love to have one strand of hair. From a cost and logistical standpoint, the simpler whatever we collect, the better. Not that collecting blood and urine are difficult, but you have to have the proper procedures in place, and account for the shipping, and the state that you need the samples, once collected, to remain in a preserved state where they can be accurately analyzed. You can build those programs. It doesn’t take much. We obviously would prefer the simplest mechanism possible. But just pulling a strand of hair is not effective to protect a clean athlete’s rights because there is so much that can’t be detected in hair, or saliva, or other things.”

    Q: What is the difference in cost — because obviously, with most state commissions, you’re dealing with tax-based, governmental agencies — what’s the difference in cost between a urine test and a blood test?

    A: “There’s not much. Incremental cost. It’s certainly not cost-prohibitive and if you want to protect clean athletes, you’ll put it in place. Take half of one percent of what these two boxers were going to generate, or make for themselves, and you’ve paid for a couple years of your program. I always hear that is a defense to not wanting it to be done, but it’s really not. It’s frankly a weak excuse not to protect clean athletes’ rights.”

    Q: If I had 72 hours, could I mask EPO?

    A: “Yeah.”

    Q: If I knew it was coming, I could mask it?

    A: “Yeah. Same with steroids.”

    Q: How quickly could I mask it? What’s the shortest time frame, if I knew it was coming, that I could mask it?

    A: “I mean, we do no notice. We literally show up, and knock on a door, and we find them.”

    Q: My question is, if I knew 20 hours before the test, would I have time to mask it? Six hours? One hour? What would it be?

    A: “Yep, all that.”

    Q: If I knew 10 minutes before test, could I mask it?

    A: “Yep. If you had some urine and a Whizzinator, 10 minutes before, you could mask it. If you had a catheter, which is not that tough to do, you could do it.”

    Q: What about blood testing? Could I mask it then?

    A: “For transfusions, the 14 days is not going to give you much concern. The evidence of the transfusion will stay in your system longer than the 14 days. But the human growth hormone, for sure not.”
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    Can scientists detect hGH (Human Growth Hormone) in a urine test?

    Not any time soon.
    I call bull****. When is this article from?

    Get with the times:


    USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH
    By A.J. Perez, USA TODAY

    The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency has agreed to help fund a ******ia-based company's effort to gain acceptance in the anti-doping community for a urine test for human growth hormone, the en****** will announce Friday.

    Ceres Nanosciences, which licensed the screening process developed by two George Mason University professors, will receive $65,000 to conduct a six-month study of whether the test can be reliably repeated on dozens of samples. The George Mason researchers, Emanuel "Chip" Petricoin and Lance Liotta, will oversee the study, which is a crucial step because of the large scale on which the test would be used with athletes.

    "We are cautiously optimistic," said Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA, the independent organization responsible for testing Olympic-bound American athletes. "They have developed an outstanding technology. And we're looking forward to helping them develop it further so it can have a practical use in anti-doping efforts."

    Petricoin and Liotta's work recently was published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

    HGH is one of the substances of choice for athletes seeking an edge. The synthetic version of a hormone produced naturally in the body can increase muscle mass, speed recovery from tough workouts and is often coupled with anabolic steroids.

    There is a blood test for HGH that has been used at the last three Olympics, but it is expensive and no athletes have tested positive. In addition to questioning the test's effectiveness and cost, officials from Major League Baseball, the NFL and other pro leagues have been reluctant to adopt any kind of blood tests because of their invasiveness.

    Ceres Nanosciences CEO Tom Dunlap said he has been fielding calls from leagues and anti-doping organizations since USA TODAY first reported on the test in July. Petricoin and Liotta, who are on Ceres' scientific advisory board, created a process that use nanoparticles — objects about one-tenth the size of a red blood cell — to latch on to HGH and make the hormone detectable by existing equipment.

    "This is not so much about the money or getting science support as it is about prestige," Dunlap said. "Those guys have respect throughout the world."

    The study will screen urine samples taken from volunteers using a gym next to George Mason's satellite campus in Manassas, Va., and from an anti-aging clinic, which will provide samples from adults using HGH.

    -February 26, 2009

    CERES NANOSCIENCES COMPLETES USADA FUNDED CLINICAL STUDY TO MEASURE HGH IN URINE AND ESTABLISH INTIAL HUMAN BASELINE LEVELS

    MANASSAS, Va.--- Ceres Nanosciences LLLP has completed a study to measure baseline levels of Human Growth Hormone (HGH) present in the urine of non-doping healthy adults. The trial was funded by the United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA).

    The trial collected urine samples from a population of adult patients and used the Ceres Nanotrap® technology to consistently measure HGH concentrations present in order to establish a reference range of natural HGH concentrations in the urine of non-doping adults (the baseline).

    The trial utilized the Ceres-patented Nanotrap®, an innovative technology that captures protein particles in body fluids and protects them from degradation when they are extracted for analysis. Ceres Nanosciences continues to collect data on HGH levels in urine and has recently expanded its capability to conduct a larger clinical trial to continue investigation of the analytical challenges in measuring urinary HGH. Ceres is seeking additional industry funding for development of this test.

    "In our view, the results of our scientific study demonstrate the ability to measure HGH in urine using existing FDA approved assays coupled to Nanotrap enrichment" said Lance Liotta, M.D., Ph. D., co-director of the Center for Applied Proteomics and Molecular Medicine at George Mason University, "We now are exploring the feasibility of measuring specific isoforms of HGH in urine using the Nanotrap technology, which has not been done before" he continued. "We plan to proceed methodically through this process with the highest degree of scientific rigor and peer-review".

    -April 13, 2010

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    • gibo
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      It sure as hell worried Manny Pacquiao, **** he refused a 50 million dollar payday cause of it.

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      • ThePrince
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        Originally posted by gibo
        It sure as hell worried Manny Pacquiao, **** he refused a 50 million dollar payday cause of it.
        I'll tell you what I told the OP, get with the times

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        • viperz007
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          #5
          here goes the OST THREADS AGAIN

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            *****S damage control...........

            You see how desperate they are, they can not talk about incoming fights for their IDOL and here they come again trying to justify something that make them more foolish and ******s. They have not noticed what their IDOL behaving lately, those are signs of drugs rage.

            And what i also noticed for die hard *****S behaving the past few days, they become more delusional and agreeing to what their comrades been posting even how rediculous it is. What a pity for these people, they are like Zombies looking for blood to suck and flesh to eat. They come come together and feast all what they got just to hide their disappointments.

            More of these will come out until they will get tired and realize that they are fooling themselves.

            *****S on the feast

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