Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Gears Up For The Start of Training Camp
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pacman doesnt have anywhewre near the power he had at 14olbs or below, let alone at 154. the clottey fight proves he really would be hard pressed to take sustained punishment from a good 147lber let alone a 154lber let alone a guy that is great and comfortable at 160lbs. the power gap is way big the bone structure, the ability to absorb punches stamina everything. they will never and I mean ever put pacman in with a kirkland or a berto or angulo, or martinez or williams those guys are not only too big they are just too good.pac does well with guys like hatton and margs and cotto slow as crap, coming off of brutal losses , theyre confidence and brains rattled and scarred.pacmans promotor and team arent ****** they know very well whom to fight, same goes for gayweather.gayweather is a good fight for pac because gayweather is very inactive , he looks rusty he really doesnt hit all that hard, and really hes very beatable. martinez no way dudes lets be real here. martinez is no joke theres no hype there, he spanked williams ass and wuz robbed, hes legit.Last edited by boxingfan76; 09-13-2010, 11:21 PM.Comment
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the only thing that will be written in the books is hell never face a fighter of the caliber of martinez or size and frankly he shouldnt, hes fun to watch but he has his limits lets be real.if tiny jmm could deal with his speed what would martinez do whos just as fast crafty as hell and 160lber naturally??? jmm may have been knocked down early but he got up and handily out punched and out connected and outsmarted pac in both their fights.and thats a feather weight.sergio prolly walks around at 190lbs or more in between fights.its not even a fair fight really pac is just to damn small he could have all the speed in the world he wouldnt hurt a guy that big, he can fight and beat big bums like margarito is now but your talkin about great big guy theres a tremendous difference there. speed doesnt always win , it may work against mayweather whos probably even faster, but the size discrepany is just too much it would be a big mistake,and it wont happen garunteed.u wont see pacman calling out any top name in the jr middleweight division let alone 160lb division.Comment
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We're arguing speed, not who would win.the only thing that will be written in the books is hell never face a fighter of the caliber of martinez or size and frankly he shouldnt, hes fun to watch but he has his limits lets be real.if tiny jmm could deal with his speed what would martinez do whos just as fast crafty as hell and 160lber naturally??? jmm may have been knocked down early but he got up and handily out punched and out connected and outsmarted pac in both their fights.and thats a feather weight.sergio prolly walks around at 190lbs or more in between fights.its not even a fair fight really pac is just to damn small he could have all the speed in the world he wouldnt hurt a guy that big, he can fight and beat big bums like margarito is now but your talkin about great big guy theres a tremendous difference there. speed doesnt always win , it may work against mayweather whos probably even faster, but the size discrepany is just too much it would be a big mistake,and it wont happen garunteed.u wont see pacman calling out any top name in the jr middleweight division let alone 160lb division.Comment
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I'm not debating that Marg isnt the fighter Pac should be fighting or that the system isnt screwed up.uh its delusional to say little pacman hits harder than a real middleweight in martinez, it took 12 rnds for pac to get to cotto 2 more than it took margs.and i dont want to hear no brick bull**** a loss is a loss, clottey and pac busted cotto up even worse and they are smaller!the cotto fight was a stoppage not a real ko.pac is a great fighter but u put in a little great fighter with a big great fighter and the bigger one will always win.do u see manny lining up to fight willims??/ uh niether do I. pac wont even fight berto, or even an old -ass mosley, pac doesnt have the size power or DEFENSE to fight those great big cats he should stay at welterweight or stick to fighting losers like he has been in his last 5 or even now. margs isnt even a champ why is he fighting for a fake belt?? because margs is very beatable and coming off a brutal loss just like cotto was.I respect pacman, but cmon dudes be realistic, martinez is soo good every time theres mention of a possible matchup with a great fighter it just gets ignored.its not pacmans style to take a fight of that caliber ,hell rematch cotto or hatton b4 that fight ever happens. him and gayweather actually mirror images of each other they never fight the greats now! screw fighting previous greats , theres greats out there now, that never get a shot simply because a loss is very possible.its misleading and dishonest. pac is very carefully handeled its clear as day, same for gayweather.everybody else killing each other while these two are running a show fighting fights we all know theyll win easily.40 yr old mosley and margarito the cheather, bah pvvvvvvt!!pnd fer pnders mys ass!. pwill and martinez are pnd fer pnders, they aint running from nobody, people are running from them!frankly im sick of these 2 getting so much accoloades for never stepping up, while everyone else is paying their dues and getting shunned.pac should fight angulo,pwill,berto,or even cintron,somebody on a winning streak ,cmon now earn those 60bux pacman. tired of u fighten has beens,or never weres.triple goes for chickenweather.nobody can honestly say that a fight with angulo would not only be a lot more action but it would outsell any margarito fight, two ko punchers goin at it angulo very beatable but just one good shot and pacman gets put 2 sleep!now that would be a fight!pacman says he wants to keep the fans happy but he never follows thru,who the hell wants to see a slow-ass discraced margarito coming off a long layoff with no chance of winning ???thats not a good fight, thats just designed to make pac look good with very little risk, all im saying if your doing something, do it all the way, no catchweights and no bums on losing streaks please.im tired of these bob arum and chicken feather games.
If you check my statement again you'll even see that i said I favor Sergio in the fight BUT i think its crazy to suggest that Sergio stop Pac in 1 round.
Hes Not a Big middleweight heck hes Not even really a big Junior Middleweight and hes never been a power punching guy.
When talking about Manny Pacquiao I dont see how anyone thinks he'd get blasted out in 1 round by anybody that fights in or near his weight class.
Should Sergio win? Sure. But this is boxing. You never know what could happen on any day but I feel fairly certain We wont see Manny getting blasted out in round by anybody 160 or lower. (excluding maybe Pavlik because of his Raw power)Comment
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You know the poster does'nt know a thing in boxing when he can't even spell "clotty" right!ARUM- "hey margarito im gonna get you a fight with manny pac
MARGARITO- "but i dont have a license"
ARUM- dont worry ill make it happen just 1 thing"
MARGARITO- 'WHATS THAT?"
ARUM- IM GONA GIVE YOU THE SAME DEAL I GAVE CLOTTY"
Margarito- "what deal"
Arum - " Ill get you a fight with manny pac but you cant knock him out thats the deal"
MARGARITO- what about my careear?
Arum- " dont worry im your promoter ill get you another fight"
MARGARITO- "ok so i get a pay day fighting manny pac, but i cant win?
Arum- thats right and if you do knock manny pac out ill make sure you never get another fight!!!
MARGARITO- well i gues i have no choice its a deal!!!! i get my license and a pay day all i have to do is lose? sounds good to me!!
Arum - yup just like the clotty fight!!!Comment
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I agree with you. Manny has limitation. Hell, everyone has limitations. But we really haven't seen Manny's limitation yet. Throughout the past 2 or 3 years Manny continued to astound us. I don't think Manny can go up up to 160lbs and dominate fighters in that division. But I sure would like to see his limitation without him getting killed or ending up like Ali. He might have a chance dominating 154lbs. That remains to be seen. But I will not look down on Manny if can't dominate or not willing to dominate 154lbs. As he said b4, he is satisfied of what he had accomplished. So, we might not see his limitation at all.the only thing that will be written in the books is hell never face a fighter of the caliber of martinez or size and frankly he shouldnt, hes fun to watch but he has his limits lets be real[/B][/SIZE].if tiny jmm could deal with his speed what would martinez do whos just as fast crafty as hell and 160lber naturally??? jmm may have been knocked down early but he got up and handily out punched and out connected and outsmarted pac in both their fights.and thats a feather weight.sergio prolly walks around at 190lbs or more in between fights.its not even a fair fight really pac is just to damn small he could have all the speed in the world he wouldnt hurt a guy that big, he can fight and beat big bums like margarito is now but your talkin about great big guy theres a tremendous difference there. speed doesnt always win , it may work against mayweather whos probably even faster, but the size discrepany is just too much it would be a big mistake,and it wont happen garunteed.u wont see pacman calling out any top name in the jr middleweight division let alone 160lb division.Comment
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But I would like to see Manny fight Sergio at 154lbs just to see how he will do against him. I consider them to be parallel in speed and heart. Power I give to Sergio, but technique I give to Manny by not much. Sergio better keep those hands up if they ever clash.I agree with you. Manny has limitation. Hell, everyone has limitations. But we really haven't seen Manny's limitation yet. Throughout the past 2 or 3 years Manny continued to astound us. I don't think Manny can go up up to 160lbs and dominate fighters in that division. But I sure would like to see his limitation without him getting killed or ending up like Ali. He might have a chance dominating 154lbs. That remains to be seen. But I will not look down on Manny if can't dominate or not willing to dominate 154lbs. As he said b4, he is satisfied of what he had accomplished. So, we might not see his limitation at all.Comment
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