Time to recognize Wlad more.

[cupocity303]

A strong # 3 P4P in my book, just like he was when I made this video:



You can't deny a guy that dominant, who hasn't lost a round in years, yet alone a fight, against the best opposition the heavyweights have to offer.

[Run]

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You can't deny a guy that dominant, who hasn't lost a round in years, yet alone a fight, against the best opposition the heavyweights have to offer.

Right I just don't see how (in Boxing) people can refer to the biggest and baddest guy around basically.........as a top "P4P" fighter.

I mean what the hell.

Who is he compared to? a 8 foot tall 400lb version of himself?



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[Run]

The term P4P was coined when someone inferred to SRR's ability to fight in the top weight classes. Sports Writer stated: Well he's given pound for pound you can put him in with a Heavyweight fighter and he'd beat him.



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[bojangles1987]

I don't think he's p4p at all. He's a physically gifted fighter, he has developed his style to take great advantage of his physical tools, and he is a dominant champion. Not p4p material.

[Porter's Dad]

I wasn't a fan of his for a long time (and even now, his style doesn't always stimulate me) but give the ****ing guy his dues. He's a great HW champ, and count your blessing he's around and gives the HW division some credibility.

[Heru]

10 opponents who lost..

A good boxer can maximize their height and weight. If not I guess Lewis never had a legit win?

Holyfield and Tyson should never have won a fight?

Fat around the belly ain't everything my friend.

You're twisting my words around.

I'm not arguing the legitimacy of the win, what I'm arguing against is his place on P4P lists and for him to get top 5 P4P consideration when on average he's outweighing his last 10 opponents by double digits.

It's the reason why Lewis and Klitschko have never been Top 5 despite having the resumes for it, while Holyfield and Tyson have been.

I don't care about height, it's an advantage, but not an unfair one. Double digit weight advantages are not what P4P lists were made for.

We saw an tremendously talented and skilled Nonito Donaire struggle against a mediocre Rafael Concepcion just being outweighed by either 3.5 or 4.5 pounds at the weigh in. You can talk about how weight matters less when you go up the scale which is true, but then you add in that it's an average of 12 pounds.

His most talented, skilled, and prepared opponents (Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd, Ibragimov) he's outweighing by 20,30, and even 40 pounds. That's great fighting at the division of heavyweight and all, but not P4P material.

[TheGreatA]

Top 5 might be stretching it, but then there aren't too many dominant champions around, and the ones who have the potential to be dominant don't fight often enough. Atleast Wladimir fights, regardless of the opposition he is facing.

[Grand Champ]

You're twisting my words around.

I'm not arguing the legitimacy of the win, what I'm arguing against is his place on P4P lists and for him to get top 5 P4P consideration when on average he's outweighing his last 10 opponents by double digits.

It's the reason why Lewis and Klitschko have never been Top 5 despite having the resumes for it, while Holyfield and Tyson have been.

I don't care about height, it's an advantage, but not an unfair one. Double digit weight advantages are not what P4P lists were made for.

We saw an tremendously talented and skilled Nonito Donaire struggle against a mediocre Rafael Concepcion just being outweighed by either 3.5 or 4.5 pounds at the weigh in. You can talk about how weight matters less when you go up the scale which is true, but then you add in that it's an average of 12 pounds.

His most talented, skilled, and prepared opponents (Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd, Ibragimov) he's outweighing by 20,30, and even 40 pounds. That's great fighting at the division of heavyweight and all, but not P4P material.

if it's the p4p spot we're argueing then I agree with Run. I usually don't place HW in that spot either and apologize for the misunderstanding.

[Run]

You're twisting my words around.

I'm not arguing the legitimacy of the win, what I'm arguing against is his place on P4P lists and for him to get top 5 P4P consideration when on average he's outweighing his last 10 opponents by double digits.

It's the reason why Lewis and Klitschko have never been Top 5 despite having the resumes for it, while Holyfield and Tyson have been.

I don't care about height, it's an advantage, but not an unfair one. Double digit weight advantages are not what P4P lists were made for.

We saw an tremendously talented and skilled Nonito Donaire struggle against a mediocre Rafael Concepcion just being outweighed by either 3.5 or 4.5 pounds at the weigh in. You can talk about how weight matters less when you go up the scale which is true, but then you add in that it's an average of 12 pounds.

His most talented, skilled, and prepared opponents (Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd, Ibragimov) he's outweighing by 20,30, and even 40 pounds. That's great fighting at the division of heavyweight and all, but not P4P material.

I'm underlining this post because that's how I think of a P4P scale working.



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[Heru]

if it's the p4p spot we're argueing then I agree with Run. I usually don't place HW in that spot either and apologize for the misunderstanding.

No problem, the only way I would put in a Heavyweight is if they're Holyfield type heavyweights moving up in weight or maybe even the smaller heavyweights like Tyson.

I'm underlining this post because that's how I think of a P4P scale working.

Great minds think alike. I was going to make a thread about this when The Ring put Wlad in the top 10, but I decided to stop talking down on the Klits. I just try to remind Klitschko fans when they go overboard.