Who do you think is the most overrated boxer ever?

[Dirt E Gomez]

If if if.... if's don't matter. He lost, he went to prison, he lost some more, he bit somebody's ear.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Joe Louis and Chavez com to mind

In ten or twenty more years, they'll be saying this about Ali.

[Shaolin Bushido]

If if if.... if's don't matter. He lost, he went to prison, he lost some more, he bit somebody's ear.

"IF's" do matter on threads like this. It's all about "if".

[Dirt E Gomez]

Not really. Facts will always be more important than hearsay and guessing. Could Tyson have been the best heavyweight ever if he had kept training, not gone to prison, and not signed up with King? Maybe. But he didn't, so he isn't.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Not really. Facts will always be more important than hearsay and guessing. Could Tyson have been the best heavyweight ever if he had kept training, not gone to prison, and not signed up with King? Maybe. But he didn't, so he isn't.

facts. One guy's facts is another guy's fiction. "If" matters. Read my sig.

[Dirt E Gomez]

My point to that post that in the future, people wont look back at RJJ's boxing career and mention that Toney had been out of shape or that Hopkins was young. They will still talk about Ali being old and Tyson being washed up.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Oh; I'll admit I didn't even see all that dialogue. My bad.

[Ali_is_the_greatest17]

In ten or twenty more years, they'll be saying this about Ali.

People are already saying that about Ali.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Calling Ali overated is ok when talking to basic sports fans or non-boxing fans. People think Ali was some god of boxing who was virtually unbeatable. Boxing experts will still say Ali is one of the best fighters of all time, as will most of us. We just aren't dumb enough to say he's impossible to beat.

[Ali_is_the_greatest17]

Calling Ali overated is ok when talking to basic sports fans or non-boxing fans. People think Ali was some god of boxing who was virtually unbeatable. Boxing experts will still say Ali is one of the best fighters of all time, as will most of us. We just aren't dumb enough to say he's impossible to beat.

It might not be impossible to beat him but it sure is tough to beat him... When you watch the Thrilla in Manilla and the Rumble in the Jungle, it looks like both of them are having a really, really hard time fighting Ali.