Was Felix Sturm Robbed Against Oscar De La Hoya???

[JK1700]

Sturm never fought outside of germany prior, and ever since then he's never left germany again.

It ruinned him.

It hasnt ruined him by any stretch of the imagination. I think it made him a better businessman. He's been fighting in Germany because he is extremely popular in his home country. He makes alot more money fighting in Germany and doesnt have to worry about being robbed either.

He will be fighting in the U.S soon because he's now an established, popular fighter who has won 3 world titles. Two of them since the DLH fight so to claim that "ruined him" is nothing short of ridiculous. The reason he went back to Germany after "losing" to Oscar was to establish himself. And he's done that very well.

I think Sturm is the best Middleweight right now. You Americans will disagree and big up Williams and Martinez. The fact of the matter is that both of those guys have only just became popular recently and only have 2-3 name opponents on their resume. Felix Sturm has been champion since 2007 and has beaten better opposition than any other Middleweight right now.

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It hasnt ruined him by any stretch of the imagination. I think it made him a better businessman. He's been fighting in Germany because he is extremely popular in his home country. He makes alot more money fighting in Germany and doesnt have to worry about being robbed either.

He will be fighting in the U.S soon because he's now an established, popular fighter who has won 3 world titles. Two of them since the DLH fight so to claim that "ruined him" is nothing short of ridiculous. The reason he went back to Germany after "losing" to Oscar was to establish himself. And he's done that very well.

I think Sturm is the best Middleweight right now. You Americans will disagree and big up Williams and Martinez. The fact of the matter is that both of those guys have only just became popular recently and only have 2-3 name opponents on their resume. Felix Sturm has been champion since 2007 and has beaten better opposition than any other Middleweight right now.

No bro, it mentally ruinned him. I'm pretty sure he'll never fight in the states again out of fear of being robbed like that. It ruinned him and his teams perception of boxing in the states. They won't do it again.

As far as who teh best MW's are. Sturm has a decent arguement but i honestly believe he loses soundly to Martinez and Pirog. I think a front runner like Korobov forces him into a fight, or to remain in his shell and never really lets him get off - or puts on a Castellejo type win. Williams also has the ability to make him remain in his shell and never really open up.

Stylistically the division seems pretty rough for him right now. A conventional version of Sergiy Dizzy, really. I've never seen him punch at anything moving (he only jabs when he and his opponent are set) or throw other punchers when in close. So the movement of martinez is troublesom.. and he's had some scares in the past with going blow for blow.. so there's nothing there that tells me Korobov or Williams can't keep him defensive for a night either. Him and Pirog is an incredible fight imo, both styles i think will mesh well and make a beautiful fight, but I like Pirogs defense and unmatched confidence in the ring to do the job.

[JK1700]

No bro, it mentally ruinned him. I'm pretty sure he'll never fight in the states again out of fear of being robbed like that. It ruinned him and his teams perception of boxing in the states. They won't do it again.

Nah. Felix has said that he will fight in the U.S soon. Perhaps not too often because he still has a couple of fights that the WBA want. Gennady Golovkin wants to fight him and both are big in Germany so that will proberbly happen along with a possible rematch with Sebastian Sylvester. Which would also be a big fight in Germany. They are both very big in Germany. Hassan N'Dam is also WBA interim.

I think Felix believes that he can beat the likes of Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez convingly enough not to get robbed. And let's face it there won't be a robbery as bad as that for a long time because there arent many fighters as popular as De La Hoya who can payoff the judges. I think Sturm could possibly even knock out Williams or Martinez. Neither is a natural, strong Middleweight and they both have suspect chins.

[Spray_resistant]

It was a robbery, DLH at points was throwing alot of quick flashy arm punch combos but nearly all were blocked.

Watch that fight and notice how few punches Oscar really landed on Sturm.

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Nah. Felix has said that he will fight in the U.S soon. Perhaps not too often because he still has a couple of fights that the WBA want. Gennady Golovkin wants to fight him and both are big in Germany so that will proberbly happen along with a possible rematch with Sebastian Sylvester. Which would also be a big fight in Germany. They are both very big in Germany. Hassan N'Dam is also WBA interim.

I think Felix believes that he can beat the likes of Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez convingly enough not to get robbed. And let's face it there won't be a robbery as bad as that for a long time because there arent many fighters as popular as De La Hoya who can payoff the judges. I think Sturm could possibly even knock out Williams or Martinez. Neither is a natural, strong Middleweight and they both have suspect chins.

Not sure if you got a chance to see my edits, but i suggested a few matches at MW i think Sturm loses.

What are your thoughts?

I'll repost

" As far as who teh best MW's are. Sturm has a decent arguement but i honestly believe he loses soundly to Martinez and Pirog. I think a front runner like Korobov forces him into a fight, or to remain in his shell and never really lets him get off - or puts on a Castellejo type win. Williams also has the ability to make him remain in his shell and never really open up.

Stylistically the division seems pretty rough for him right now. A conventional version of Sergiy Dizzy, really. I've never seen him punch at anything moving (he only jabs when he and his opponent are set) or throw other punchers when in close. So the movement of martinez is troublesom.. and he's had some scares in the past with going blow for blow.. so there's nothing there that tells me Korobov or Williams can't keep him defensive for a night either. Him and Pirog is an incredible fight imo, both styles i think will mesh well and make a beautiful fight, but I like Pirogs defense and unmatched confidence in the ring to do the job. "

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Now THAT was a robbery.

[JK1700]

No bro, it mentally ruinned him. I'm pretty sure he'll never fight in the states again out of fear of being robbed like that. It ruinned him and his teams perception of boxing in the states. They won't do it again.

As far as who teh best MW's are. Sturm has a decent arguement but i honestly believe he loses soundly to Martinez and Pirog. I think a front runner like Korobov forces him into a fight, or to remain in his shell and never really lets him get off - or puts on a Castellejo type win. Williams also has the ability to make him remain in his shell and never really open up.

Stylistically the division seems pretty rough for him right now. A conventional version of Sergiy Dizzy, really. I've never seen him punch at anything moving (he only jabs when he and his opponent are set) or throw other punchers when in close. So the movement of martinez is troublesom.. and he's had some scares in the past with going blow for blow.. so there's nothing there that tells me Korobov or Williams can't keep him defensive for a night either. Him and Pirog is an incredible fight imo, both styles i think will mesh well and make a beautiful fight, but I like Pirogs defense and unmatched confidence in the ring to do the job.

I think he's the best Middleweight right now. Korobov is just a prospect at this point. Pirog is good but aside from Jacobs who was a hype job he hasnt beaten anyone to really convince me. Williams is just one dimensional and he doesnt have the power knock people out. I would see Sturm just jabbing him to death and then knocking him out later in the fight. I think sylistically he would beat these guys.

You mention the Castillejo fight but I think that was just a rare mental lapse from him. He was easily winning that fight and has improved alot since. People will look at his style and think he's nothing special but that's just how he fights. Sturm is the kind of fighter who will only fight when he's made to fight.

If you can sit back and win the fight with your jab then why not? His jab is the best part of his arsenal and that would be key in a fight with Williams or Martinez because neither of them have particuarly good defence and he would be able to control them with it. I think the jab and defence is much more important than just a high work rate and 100 punches per round ala Williams.

I think people overlook Sturm because he isnt exciting but looking at his resume and comparing it with other Middleweights. You have to say he is the best right now. I'm not saying you havent but if you do have any doubts then watch some of his fights because alot of people talk about him and havent seen him fight.

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I think he's the best Middleweight right now. Korobov is just a prospect at this point. Pirog is good but aside from Jacobs who was a hype job he hasnt beaten anyone to really convince me. Williams is just one dimensional and he doesnt have the power knock people out. I would see Sturm just jabbing him to death and then knocking him out later in the fight. I think sylistically he would beat these guys.

You mention the Castillejo fight but I think that was just a rare mental lapse from him. He was easily winning that fight and has improved alot since. People will look at his style and think he's nothing special but that's just how he fights. Sturm is the kind of fighter who will only fight when he's made to fight.

If you can sit back and win the fight with your jab then why not? His jab is the best part of his arsenal and that would be key in a fight with Williams or Martinez because neither of them have particuarly good defence and he would be able to control them with it. I think the jab and defence is much more important than just a high work rate and 100 punches per round ala Williams.

I think people overlook Sturm because he isnt exciting but looking at his resume and comparing it with other Middleweights. You have to say he is the best right now. I'm not saying you havent but if you do have any doubts then watch some of his fights because alot of people talk about him and havent seen him fight.

Currently, at 154, my favorite fighter is Dizzy - who IMO sturm fights exactly a like only in a conventional stance. A he has more tools than dizzy though as far as punches go, but less tools defensively. I personally see Dizzy losing to Williams because I don't see a clear chance for him to really get anything off with the workrate (Williams/Winky, Soliman/Winky (although winky won), Clottey/Pacman, Winky/Quartey.....the list goes on). It's just one of those bad style disasters. I've seen Williams get shy when hit, but hit against guys who Move, give angles, and roll. I've never seen him relent against a high guard though, and I personally feel like he keeps Dizzy/Sturm in their defense.

As for Pirog and Martinez. I think people highly underrate Martinez's defense. he rarely gets hit clean and he counters jabs so beautifully. I think a less active sturm gives martinez enough time to fight in spurts if he wanted to, and clinch as well. It could honestly end up looking EXACTLY like Alexander/Kotelnik (which i had Kotelnik winning 9-3) but with martinez doing things I personally felt Alexander should have been doing.

For Pirog? He's a big question mark, I'll admit. The things that makes me believe he is the real deal though is his record. I believe he only has 15-16 fights I'm not sure entirely, I'll probably look at boxrec and edit this post afterward - But all of his opponents are Gatekeepers. Usually, a fighters record holds a ton of journeymen, other untested prospects, and 1-2 or 3 gatekeepers before they get their big break and can consistantly fight the best. Pirog has been fighting Gatekeepers his entire career - every opponent on his resume is seasoned and pretty decent. The win over Jacobs isn't what impresses me.. it's the fact that IMO it was an "easy" win, and i feel as though he didn't even break a sweat to do it. This to me is testament of how good he might actually be.

Aside from that, I've watched many sturm fights and I love sturm. You can probably take an easy guess why when I tell you that my favorite fighters are ike Quartey, joshua clottey, winky wright, and sergiy dizzy.

yes... i have a thing for high guards, tight defenses, and nice jabs. Lol.


EDIT - I personally can't remember the last mover I've seen sturm fight, one of his biggest problems to me have always been he either gets too stationary or can punch stepping in, but no while pivoting or stepping right or left. This is why Martinez seems so troublesome to me.

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It was a robbery, DLH at points was throwing alot of quick flashy arm punch combos but nearly all were blocked.

Watch that fight and notice how few punches Oscar really landed on Sturm.

Thank you, my man. I think I had it like 9-3 Sturm or something. It was that bad.

[Toney Loc]

Thank you, my man. I think I had it like 9-3 Sturm or something. It was that bad.

That's how I scored it. Oscar admitted in his book that he lost this fight. Not that I read his book or anything like that. :whistle: