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Originally posted by krimzon
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you seem very closed minded and very much set in your thinking, but i will try to logically converse with you.
Simply because certain competition is considered "world class" does not mean that two competitors must go tooth and nail, back and forth until the end of regulation. World class simply means that the athletes have attained an extremely high level of proficiency in their profession.
It is very difficult to train ones jaw to take damage and the propensity for it to take damage decreases with time. Therefore, it is quite possible for someone to be world class but get knocked out within the first round.
Also, have you considered the reverse? Perhaps it is not so much that all MMA fighters have glass jaws (like you proposed), but perhaps it's due to them having more tools in their arsenal (Head kicks, Knees) and that they may strike with more power than your typical boxer? The usage of the smaller 4oz gloves would compound this effect and support this notion.
Lastly, it is not fair to arbitrarily compare first round knockouts between different sports. This is a flawed thinking because rounds are not even measured the same way between boxing and mma. In the PrideFC promotion in Japan during the early 2000s, first rounds were 10 minutes long. This equates to 3 and a third rounds in boxing with no resting periods in between. Since the fighters are fighting for such a prolonged period without rest, it makes sense that there would be more KOs in the first round than boxing. Therefore gauging skill of an entire sport by the amount of first round knockouts is silly.
On that point, even the way in which knockouts are measured across both sports differ in some fundamental ways. In MMA, when a fighter gets dropped, his opponent has full rights to rush his opponent with repeated strikes until the referee interferes and calls the fight. However in boxing, when a boxer is down he can rise back up for the count and drain time. This positively skews the time it takes for knockouts in boxing to occur relative to mma. You can't compare statistics that are measured differently.
Two grown men rolling around is not normal but look at it from a different context, wrestling is a sport recognized by the olympics and so is judo. These are grappling arts, two men often engage in what appears to be "rolling around" to the untrained eye. However, it is actually a competition which requires tremendous skill in terms of using leverage and core strength to control and/or throw the opponent. MMA is the culmination of these grappling arts along with striking arts such as boxing, kickboxing and karate.
Simply because certain competition is considered "world class" does not mean that two competitors must go tooth and nail, back and forth until the end of regulation. World class simply means that the athletes have attained an extremely high level of proficiency in their profession.
It is very difficult to train ones jaw to take damage and the propensity for it to take damage decreases with time. Therefore, it is quite possible for someone to be world class but get knocked out within the first round.
Also, have you considered the reverse? Perhaps it is not so much that all MMA fighters have glass jaws (like you proposed), but perhaps it's due to them having more tools in their arsenal (Head kicks, Knees) and that they may strike with more power than your typical boxer? The usage of the smaller 4oz gloves would compound this effect and support this notion.
Lastly, it is not fair to arbitrarily compare first round knockouts between different sports. This is a flawed thinking because rounds are not even measured the same way between boxing and mma. In the PrideFC promotion in Japan during the early 2000s, first rounds were 10 minutes long. This equates to 3 and a third rounds in boxing with no resting periods in between. Since the fighters are fighting for such a prolonged period without rest, it makes sense that there would be more KOs in the first round than boxing. Therefore gauging skill of an entire sport by the amount of first round knockouts is silly.
On that point, even the way in which knockouts are measured across both sports differ in some fundamental ways. In MMA, when a fighter gets dropped, his opponent has full rights to rush his opponent with repeated strikes until the referee interferes and calls the fight. However in boxing, when a boxer is down he can rise back up for the count and drain time. This positively skews the time it takes for knockouts in boxing to occur relative to mma. You can't compare statistics that are measured differently.
Two grown men rolling around is not normal but look at it from a different context, wrestling is a sport recognized by the olympics and so is judo. These are grappling arts, two men often engage in what appears to be "rolling around" to the untrained eye. However, it is actually a competition which requires tremendous skill in terms of using leverage and core strength to control and/or throw the opponent. MMA is the culmination of these grappling arts along with striking arts such as boxing, kickboxing and karate.
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