Doug Fischer: "Wlad Klitschko would've been dangerous to ANYBODY in history even Ali"

[mushahadeen]

Ali vs. Klitchko would be a close fight since Ali is like 80 years old and has Parkinson's. I still think he'd pull out a close decision.

[GJC]

I think Wlad easily takes Bowe. Bowe struggled with all the really good fighters he fought and the best fighters out there he avoided. Golata took Bowe to school. Are you going to start talking about mythical primes? If so, then Wlad's prime started in 2006, so you cant count any fights before then.

Sure you don't want to start his prime in 2005 he'd managed to find a way not to get the crap beaten out of him by then?
English is really coming on, been taking a crash course?

[Dynamite Kid]

When i first spoke about Ali vs Wlad, i thought Wlad could give him a lot of trouble if he utilized his reach, only i have discovered that there is only 1 inch reach advantage for Wlad, which makes me rethink, before i thought Ali would find it difficult to get something going offensively if Wlad was to dominate/dictate with his superior reach, but i thought it was considerable reach, its not, therefore, i dont think Ali would as much trouble getting off, particularly if he kept resetting Wlad, Wlad seems like someone who needs you to stay still, infact his movement when someone resets him is very robotic, and im not sure he would be able to react to the attacks quick enough of someone as fluid as Ali would could move to the side, but also then move foward quickly , get off a combination, then get away.

[La Cucaracha]

What is this **** about Rid**** Bowe of all people?

If anyone is gonna beat the Klitschko it's not the fattest, laziest and most cowardly of all the fighters listed.

Rid**** Bowe? LMAO. Show me a video of the Klitschkos throwing a Heavyweight Title Belt in a trash can and then we can talk.

[STEELHEAD]

Yeah note the poll isn't public, got to keep those alts undercover lol

aha ha ha!
a bizzare hidden poll.
there can't be that many in the world that think the klitschkos can beat them guys....only on boxingscene

[Left Hook Tua]

What is this **** about Rid**** Bowe of all people?

If anyone is gonna beat the Klitschko it's not the fattest, laziest and most cowardly of all the fighters listed.

Rid**** Bowe? LMAO. Show me a video of the Klitschkos throwing a Heavyweight Title Belt in a trash can and then we can talk.

rid**** bowe was pretty damn good.

he just didn't take care of himself and was shot at a young age.

[GJC]

When i first spoke about Ali vs Wlad, i thought Wlad could give him a lot of trouble if he utilized his reach, only i have discovered that there is only 1 inch reach advantage for Wlad, which makes me rethink, before i thought Ali would find it difficult to get something going offensively if Wlad was to dominate/dictate with his superior reach, but i thought it was considerable reach, its not, therefore, i dont think Ali would as much trouble getting off, particularly if he kept resetting Wlad, Wlad seems like someone who needs you to stay still, infact his movement when someone resets him is very robotic, and im not sure he would be able to react to the attacks quick enough of someone as fluid as Ali would could move to the side, but also then move foward quickly , get off a combination, then get away.

Don't forget Liston has a longer reach than any of them.
Thing is Wlad had a lot of weaknesses in his earlier career and he has compensated for them, lets be realistic he hasn't suddenly developed a granite chin. The problem is none of his opponents has had the skills to pose him any problems and you can't help but wonder if the also ran's of the past such as Bugner, Bruno and Cooney etc etc would have just as much success as Wlad against his opponents.

[Dynamite Kid]

Don't forget Liston has a longer reach than any of them.
Thing is Wlad had a lot of weaknesses in his earlier career and he has compensated for them, lets be realistic he hasn't suddenly developed a granite chin. The problem is none of his opponents has had the skills to pose him any problems and you can't help but wonder if the also ran's of the past such as Bugner, Bruno and Cooney etc etc would have just as much success as Wlad against his opponents.

Yeah but those two jab very differently, meaning Wlad and Liston, Liston was a type of guy who committed to the jab, meaning, if he missed the jab, you could slip away, cause he stepped in with it, Wlad is a guy that does not commit to the jab, he jabs from the backseat, he only throws the jab when he knows its 100% going to land, IMO Liston used it more as offensive weapon, Wlad does in a way, but its more of a defensive weapon first and foremost, to establish distance, then when he gets comfortable with throwing it, cause he is landing it, he will put right hands behind it and start to stepping it up.


Now when fighting someone like Ali, it would make it easier for Ali to slip inside someone like Liston's jab, than it would to slip inside Wlad's, simply because of the way each fighter uses it. You try and slip inside a jab that someone does not commit to and they can drop the right hand counter on you, which is what Wlad is capable of doing, has done it before.

[GJC]

Yeah but those two jab very differently, meaning Wlad and Liston, Liston was a type of guy who committed to the jab, meaning, if he missed the jab, you could slip away, cause he stepped in with it, Wlad is a guy that does not commit to the jab, he jabs from the backseat, he only throws the jab when he knows its 100% going to land, IMO Liston used it more as offensive weapon, Wlad does in a way, but its more of a defensive weapon first and foremost, to establish distance, then when he gets comfortable with throwing it, cause he is landing it, he will put right hands behind it and start to stepping it up.


Now when fighting someone like Ali, it would make it easier for Ali to slip inside someone like Liston's jab, than it would to slip inside Wlad's, simply because of the way each fighter uses it. You try and slip inside a jab that someone does not commit to and they can drop the right hand counter on you, which is what Wlad is capable of doing, has done it before.

Good analysis DK but don't we call that a pawing jab

[Jim Jeffries]

I can't see Wlad beating Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Liston or Bowe, at least with any consistency. I'll have to reread Fischer's comments though, saying someone would be dangerous to is not the same thing as saying you would favor them against.

-Mostly pawing against southpaws.