Are "Super Six" tourneys really the way boxing should go?

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    Are "Super Six" tourneys really the way boxing should go?

    Are they really the best thing for the sport, because I'm not so sure it is. In case you have been in the dark, Showtime has been a proud supporter of the system and took the risk by doing it in one of the brightest divisions. With the recent success they are considering it for other divisions(crusierweight and bantam) and even HBO has entertained the idea with the JWW division. Now on the outside you might say, "this is the greatest idea ever", we get to see exciting fights, build fighters resumes early, and get a true number one fighter but that isn't completely true. If the "Super Six" format becomes the norm, the sport may suffer.

    One thing that has been the routine for great fighters is building a resume. You know the routine, go through the am's, maybe the olympics, start soft, then the gatekeepers and then fight the champions, but the Super Six would deter fighters getting to that last step. The "Super Six" is built around fighters that have established themselves at a high level(only way to have high profile fights), so how is a young fighter supposed to "shake up the world" if they can't get a high profile fight? A young and upcoming fighter would be held back from really establishing himself as a great fighter at a young age and would almost always have to wait till he was deemed by the public as the "real deal".

    Another thing about the "Super Six" that is questionable is the length of the tourney. It takes over two years to run its course and a lot of things happen in two years. Fighters have dips, fighters become shot, and other fighters in the meantime can string together a lot of wins and be looked at as the best but due to the format they are not willing to prove themselves and in return hurts their resume immensely. Take for example Lucian Bute. Bute right now could be looked at as one of the best fighters but due to the tourney he is stuck fighting less than stellar opponents. Sure, one could say he is the best simply because of the way he wins his fights but if you are like me, you like to judge fighters against the best in the world and if Bute isn't fighting them, I can't rate him. It may be unfair to Bute but that just is the way it is and that is why I can't support this format.

    What I'd rather see is a 4 man tourney. Have the two winners face off and then the winner fights either a rising fighter, the loser of the 3rd place fight, or a rematch of a close fight in the bracket(all of this depending on the circumstances of course). This would be much quicker, still give you big time fights, and wouldn't keep fighters in the dark.
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    Think about this, if it wasn't for the Super Six how many of the initial 9 fights would we have gotten? I'd say about 1 or 2. I support the Super Six and any tournament taht may be done resembling the Super Six.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Viciousz
      Think about this, if it wasn't for the Super Six how many of the initial 9 fights would we have gotten? I'd say about 1 or 2. I support the Super Six and any tournament taht may be done resembling the Super Six.
      You're right about that but I think the Super Six must be tweaked. It was a good first time go around but I would hate to see this format be the norm in most divisions. I like the idea but it needs to be fixed a bit, to shorten the length of it and also leave the door open for other established fighters and the up and comers that are making noise.

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        weren't dirrel and ward seen as green up and comers before the super six? who had dirrel beaten before? and yet he still got his chance.

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          Originally posted by eli porter
          weren't dirrel and ward seen as green up and comers before the super six? who had dirrel beaten before? and yet he still got his chance.
          That's true but I think that would be a rare case if this was the normal format. Dirrell got in because he is American and SHO's litmus test for the format was setting it up as 3 Americans versus 3 Europeans. If the format of the Super Six continues to run like this, young fighters won't get the same chance as Dirrell did imo.

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            I think so but they should be eliminated after losing. The way it is set up now takes too long.

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              Time lines need to be set for fights to take place. If they fought every 3 months then that would be great.. But were getting up to 5,6, and 7 ****ing months. It's ridiculous. To long.

              They should have 1 fight a month, then take a month off, then the next 3 months have 1 fight per month again, and so on. If the dude get's injured, and can't make the timeline then so be it, and replace him. All venues and purses should be set before the tourney even started, so we don't have these problems we have now. That would keep it interesting. Plus the Fight Camp 360 needs to be a regularity. Not just 1 show, before and after. We need weekly shows. That would be sick.

              With that said, I still enjoy the tourney. I think it's been a success overall so far.
              Last edited by Battle Hardened; 08-22-2010, 11:01 AM.

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              • S.G.
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                It could do with some refining. 4 or 8 fighter tournaments would be more workable as you could make them straight eliminators all the way through, but then again only 4 boxers is too small to even warrant the term "tournament" and it's difficult to assemble 8 of the best boxers without something interfering.

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                  With my scenario, it would look something like this.

                  Schedule:

                  January 10th, Carl Froch vs Dirrell
                  Febuary 10th, AA vs Taykor
                  March 10th, Ward vs Kessler

                  April off

                  May 10th, Dirrell vs AA
                  June 10th, Kessler vs Froch
                  July 10th, Green vs Ward

                  August off

                  September, AA vs Froch
                  October, Ward vs Dirrell
                  November, Green vs Kessler

                  It's ****ing perfect. If one of those dudes get's injured, and can't make the timmline, then he is replaced. No matter what. We have a fight each month to look forward to, and every guy still get's at least 3 months off. Have 2 Fight Camp shows a month, and 1 during off months.

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                    lol @ single eliminations and tournaments are bad

                    If you leave it to single elimination you're pretty much just completely giving way to probability and the best fighter probably will not emerge. I can't believe this has to be explained

                    People have always whined that the best aren't fighting the best in boxing, but when you get a tourney locked with the top fighters fighting each other consistently, people complain it's too long.

                    Also, if it weren't for the Super Six, this would've been the most horrendous year of boxing I've ever witnessed. When James Toney has to change sports to get a fight, someone failed.

                    Super Six is great. Go showtime
                    Last edited by krimzon; 08-22-2010, 11:36 AM.

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