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I'm not justifying anything. My main point is don't hate someone because they can get paid for less work when that is exactly what you aspire to every day. If you could work half the time you do for the same money you would in a second.
Anyways at 135 Stevie Johnston was willing to fight him and so was Spadafora and so was Lazcano. Floyd ignored all 3. Now you being the fanatic that you are will not only make up an excuse but justify on why he didn't fight them.
Its not me who is doing this its you. Any fighter floyd didn't fight is somehow great. Pwill, Berto, Zahir raheem were all WILLING to fight Manny but he hasn't/didn't. Floyd and Manny not fighting them was/is an economic decision, same as Leonard fighting Duran rather than Aaron Pryor.
Stop acting like this is Fight Night 3 you pick a guy I pick a guy we fight. This is PROFESSIONAL boxing. The men who fight this is their job, just like you and I have jobs. The decision on who to fight is made generally by the promoter's matchmaker. The matchmaker looks for good competitive opponents that yield the biggest financial windfall at the time. Floyd, for example called ODH out in 05 and didn't fight him until much later.
You seem to be frustrated with the BUSINESS of boxing. I can understand. But hold hold the boxers accountable in this context. ODH and Floyd don't need to fight 3 times per year. On the other hand, Tomas Adamek has to fight 3-4 times per year if he wants to make a certain amount of money.Comment
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Manny should fight them? I don't care if they bring the money or not you an elite fighter you fight the best. I can say right now as a Pacquiao fan that should of fought the lesser money but more dangerous Joan Guzman in 07 instead of a pointless rematch but more money in Barrera. I don't give a damn if Barrera was more money Guzman was the better fighter. He was an undefeated title holder that Pac avoided. But, the see the difference between me and you is that I don't justify it or make excuses for it. Guzman was the fight that should of happen. I am here saying that if Pac fights at 140 again I don't want to see him fight JMM even though is bigger money the fight should be Timothy Bradley. Is just that simple. I am not going to make excuses on why the best should not fight the best unlike you.
AIn't nobody saying fighters that were willing to fight Floyd were great. However, you said fighters were lining up toi fight. I pointed out that top, title holders, undefeated fighters were willing to fight him and Floyd passed him up. Now you saying cuz the money wasn't right. Yea OK I am pretty sure that Ndou and Sosa brought much more money in then Johnston and Spadafora did. Yea OK you keep telling yourself that bud.
And, one reason why really I don't like to debate Floyd fans. Is that the majority mofo's act like you know so much about the sport but really don't know as much as you think you do. Really Leonard chose to fight the more lucrative fight instead of fighting Pryor? Really? Where you get that from? Do you forget that Duran had already proven himself at WW? While Pryor to the point had zero, I repeat zero fights at WW. One guy was already proven the other guy had never fought there. Second, do you also foghter that Leonard DID offer Pryor his biggest payday ever but double or tripple the amount. And, it was PRYOR who TURNED IT DOWN. So don't try to use Leonard as an example because, he was willing to fight the elite big money or not.
You can call me a hater all you want. But, I call it like I see it. And, I felt that post you made about top fighters were not lining up to fight him was bull****. Yea Shane out priced hmself out and wanted the fight at 138. But, doesn't mean that there were other top fighters willing to figh thim. Maybe they didn't have the big name that YOU want or maybe you just didn't know who they were. But, doesn't mean that were not the top in their weight-class willing to fight him.Comment
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lol lol lol... Cause you say so?Comment
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Never did I call you a hater! Respectfully we are arguing the business of boxing vs the sport of boxing. Sport wise your points are right on. Of course there were people willing to fight floyd. Business wise those fights were not lucrative and may not have made sense. I'm not making excuses I am simply posting what I think about it.
Aaron Pryor walked up to ray leonard at the podium and dared him to fight. Ray never took the fight. Why? Aaron always gave him fits as an amatuer. Ray went to 147 rather than stay at 140 as an olympian to get away from pryor. You are repeating hearsay. I was there!! Duran had a much larger name and brought a bigger purse than Aaron Pryor EVER could.
Perhaps the problem is you see every floyd fan alike. And, one reason why really I don't like to debate Floyd fans. Is that the majority mofo's act like you know so much about the sport but really don't know as much as you think you do. While I completely understand how this board can make you feel this, I certainly am not one of those people.
You pointed out about Manny and Joan Guzman. the better point would be manny and zahir raheem. from a boxing point, manny should've fought him because he beat morales. from a business standpoint, that fight CANT BE MADE!! Zahir's style and lack of drawing power, coupled with the fact the Morales fight was signed already, made the risk of taking that fight too great. Doesn't mean manny ducked Zahir.
I agree with youn 100% the best should fight the best. Just keep in mind this is a fighters JOB. If manny can make $18 mil for JMM and $11 mil for Bradley, as a boxing fan manny should take the Bradley fight. As a bussinessman he HAS to take the JMM fight. If you honestly would take the bradley fight if you were manny then you are either lying or ******!Comment
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Thanks for pointing out something every boxing fan on earth knows.Comment
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You buying into the legendary nights hype.
Leonard offered Pryor his biggest payday ever. And, I mean ever and there is even a youtube vidoe of Pryor talking about his biggest payday ever and I mean by double and tripple the amount. And, it was Pryor who TURNED it down. Not only did Pryor turned down his biggest payday ever but turned down also a chance to fight Ray Leonard. Can't comapre.
I like the Guzman> Raheem. Guzman and Pac were in the same weight-clsss and 2 of the top 3 in the division. By the time Raheem and Pac were in the same weight-class Raheem was working in Costco. Guzman was an undefeated title holder, Raheem was not, Guzman also had a bad style match up for Pac. Plus wanting a rematch with Morales to avenge a lost is not wrong now the third fight with Morales was bull****. So I can eee why fight Marales instead of Raheem. But, I still can't see why fight a pointless rematch with Barrera instead of Guzman. Yea money but I could careless about that I am not going any of it. However, instead of Popo fighting Raheem it should of been Pac.
And, I still don't know how Ndou and Sosa brought in more money than Johnston and SPadafora I just don't get it. But, that wasn't even the point that started this argument. You just started this whole he is not fighting that much cuz of all the money he is making. But, that wasn't the point that started this ****** ass argument. Because, the post that I originally responded to was when you said the reason he wasn't fighting that much was cuz top fighters were not willing to fight him. And, I responded by saying there were top fighters thta wanted to fight him and gave you examples. And, you started a whole new point about the money. But, at that time he wasn't making the kind of money he is now. And, really wasn't fighting bigger money then the examples I gave could offer.
And, you insinuated that I was a hater in a couple post. Even ask if the J stood for jealous. LOL again you just want to justify and make excuses for Floyd. Just like Pac fans want ot justify and make excuses for Pac. THese 2 guys could talk bad about both extremist fan base momma and both extremist fan group would try to justify it. It is just ridiculous.Comment
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Because, the post that I originally responded to was when you said the reason he wasn't fighting that much was cuz top fighters were not willing to fight him. And, I responded by saying there were top fighters thta wanted to fight him and gave you examples. And, you started a whole new point about the money. But, at that time he wasn't making the kind of money he is now. And, really wasn't fighting bigger money then the examples I gave could offer. By TOP I meant the money earners. My bad i should've been clearer. The jealous was just a lil jab.
And, I still don't know how Ndou and Sosa brought in more money than Johnston and SPadafora I just don't get it. Because HBO signed him to a contract. They need cheaper opponents. Its the business aspect again. In no way am I making excuses or justifying anything. I just see this as a job. On my job if I can work less for more money then I have achieved my goal. Feel free to disagree.
You look at these things from your perspective. I look at from the perspective of a grown man with a family, which I am. As such, floyd not fighting so much is not as big deal to me.Comment
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