If anyone beats Vitali now, does it count?

[street bully]

I would agree, and I know that works for BHop. I think Vitali is trying to be as active as possible now:
1. Because there are things he wants to do outside of the ring. Unlike certain fighters, boxing isnt all he knows.
2. I think he sees himself as a ticking time bomb and that his time is counting down. He wants to get in as many wins as possible. I dont think its rest he needs or anything, he barely gets hurt in his fights, i think he just feels that inevitably age will catch him.

Oh and its still a huge accomplishment, and in many ways it would "save" the hw division if Vitali lost, especially to someone like Haye and then there was a unification bout/revenge bout with Wlad.

I dont think Vitali will lose before he retires. I think he goes 3 more fights. He is waiting for that Lewis moment in my mind. Someone comes along who doesnt back down, who shows that youre fading. Its hard to give something up when you cant be beat.

Vitali still beats Haye any day of the week. I think Adamek would be a bigger challenge since he is smarter.

[PittyPat]

I genuinely don't think anyone will ever come close to getting a decision over Vitali, let alone even winning more than a few rounds. It will never happen. His style just doesn't allow him to be outboxed, unless it's against someone special like Lennox or younger bro.

However, there's always that chance of him getting stopped or wobbled (i.e. Haye-Valuev) by a hard shot flush to the head. It would surprise but not shock me. Briggs has the tools to do it, but he'll have to be very bold - on the level of Sanders, who was just fearless.

Haye, too, has the tools to KO anyone in the division but he uses them in the wrong way. He's not bold in the ring, and he's certainly not bold outside of it either. :laff2:

[Wlad Klitschko]

Vitali still beats Haye any day of the week. I think Adamek would be a bigger challenge since he is smarter.

I agree, Adamek probably would be the bigger challenge because of his defense and his toughness. I still think Vitali beats both. I agree Vit beats Haye all day, but I was just saying it would increase world wide interest in HW boxing if Vit lost to someone like Haye, with his personality etc... and there was a revenge match.

As it goes though I think there is only one person out there who can beat Vitali, and thats Wlad. If those two would just fight, id otn care if they wear headgear and go 2 minute rounds, id pay for it.

[street bully]

I genuinely don't think anyone will ever come close to getting a decision over Vitali, let alone even winning more than a few rounds. It will never happen. His style just doesn't allow him to be outboxed, unless it's against someone special like Lennox or younger bro.

However, there's always that chance of him getting stopped or wobbled (i.e. Haye-Valuev) by a hard shot flush to the head. It would surprise but not shock me. Briggs has the tools to do it, but he'll have to be very bold - on the level of Sanders, who was just fearless.

Haye, too, has the tools to KO anyone in the division but he uses them in the wrong way. He's not bold in the ring, and he's certainly not bold outside of it either. :laff2:

Briggs couldn't do anything vs Sultan Ibragamov, hold your horses.

[Steak]

Yea, I think at this point you would have to call him old and not really count the loss against him. besides, to me, the important thing is not if youve lost to people, but the quality of opposition youve beaten during your career.

although it also depends on the nature of his loss and who he lost to.

One good thing is that a late loss in a career doesnt really 'count against' the fighter...but it brings the boxing world down to reality. Whenever a fighter hasnt lost for a long time, they start to get this aura of magical prestige that makes people overrate(or sometimes even underrate) them.

when they finally lose an embarressing fight at the end of their career, it brings everyone to equal grounds, and they start actually looking at their career and performances and fairly rating them rather than just riding around the bandwagon with sunshine in their eyes.

[PittyPat]

Briggs couldn't do anything vs Sultan Ibragamov, hold your horses.

I wasn't saying he will do anything, but he still has power (the same kind which shook up Lennox 12 years ago) that could wobble the likes of Vitali if he lands flush. The same, IMO, can't be said for Adamek.

[JayDee2700]

Nope an not because he's old its just because Vitali an his brother our probably the weakest dominating heavy w8's n boxing history that's not to say there weak its just compaired to all the other past heavy w8's they would stand no chance against Ali, Foreman,Tyson, Frazier, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes ect. ppl of that calibur