Boxing Purse Splits

[Heru]

Imagine if all sports leagues had to go through this every time they were going to play or if a there had to be collective bargaining negotiation every year...

Yankees: We have 27 World Series Championships and and are the defending Champions. We want 60/40.

Red Sox: We've won more Championships the last 6 years than you. It's 2-1, we want 50-50.

Yankees: That's absurd, we've won 6 W.S in the last 15 years. It's 6-2 and we're the most popular team in baseball, our hats are the most sold. 60-40 or nothing.

Red Sox: We hold the record for consecutive sellouts at home and are still on our streak. 50-50 or nothing.

Yankees: Then I guess there won't be any games then.

Red Sox: I guess there won't, we'll just go play Tampa Bay.....


Later on in the day, Red Sox start their negotiations with Tampa Bay.


Red Sox: We understand our positions in baseball, right?

Tampa Bay: As in we are the most recent of our teams to win the American League and get to the W.S?... Yes...


HBO and Showtime should have a pay scale based on ratings/attendance/belts/appearances on HBO and/or average of last few fights on HBO, etc. With raises depending on the fight, but no negotiating.

After I heard that HBO will pay Shaw and King separately for Bradley-Alexander, I wonder if this is a time thing or if it will be protocol.

There needs to be a way to get away from the constant negotiations going on for HBO-Showtime level fights. Egos can easily get in the way of a good fight and are far too involved. Just 1 solution to 1 of boxing's problems.

[futureofboxing]

Imagine if all sports leagues had to go through this every time they were going to play or if a there had to be collective bargaining negotiation every year...

Yankees: We have 27 World Series Championships and and are the defending Champions. We want 60/40.

Red Sox: We've won more Championships the last 6 years than you. It's 2-1, we want 50-50.

Yankees: That's absurd, we've won 6 W.S in the last 15 years. It's 6-2 and we're the most popular team in baseball, our hats are the most sold. 60-40 or nothing.

Red Sox: We hold the record for consecutive sellouts at home and are still on our streak. 50-50 or nothing.

Yankees: Then I guess there won't be any games then.

Red Sox: I guess there won't, we'll just go play Tampa Bay.....


Later on in the day, Red Sox start their negotiations with Tampa Bay.


Red Sox: We understand our positions in baseball, right?

Tampa Bay: As in we are the most recent of our teams to win the American League and get to the W.S?... Yes...


HBO and Showtime should have a pay scale based on ratings/attendance/belts/appearances on HBO and/or average of last few fights on HBO, etc. With raises depending on the fight, but no negotiating.

After I heard that HBO will pay Shaw and King separately for Bradley-Alexander, I wonder if this is a time thing or if it will be protocol.

There needs to be a way to get away from the constant negotiations going on for HBO-Showtime level fights. Egos can easily get in the way of a good fight and are far too involved. Just 1 solution to 1 of boxing's problems.

I talked to you about FIBA (Federal International Boxing Association), man you know all about boxing but all boxing is now is independent entrepreneurs trying to make a profit. The promoters and networks do not care about the growth or longevity of the sport they are only thinking in terms of short term profits. Man I think you need to get into the boxing business you would do so much good for the sport. But there is a difference between talking about it and being about it. It is going to be so hard to change how it is run because of the huge money that is involved with boxing.

[Heru]

I talked to you about FIBA (Federal International Boxing Association), man you know all about boxing but all boxing is now is independent entrepreneurs trying to make a profit. The promoters and networks do not care about the growth or longevity of the sport they are only thinking in terms of short term profits. Man I think you need to get into the boxing business you would do so much good for the sport. But there is a difference between talking about it and being about it. It is going to be so hard to change how it is run because of the huge money that is involved with boxing.

I agree man, thanks for the compliment, I'll answer your points. Boxing's always been independent entrepreneurs trying to make a profit. Owners of teams in sports leagues are also independent entrepreneurs trying to make a profit.

Promoters are a part of the problem, a huge one at that, but not in that sense.

I disagree with the networks not caring about the long term health of boxing. They're in it for the long run, especially seeing its potential in PPV and all the subscriptions they get because of it.

The fact is that the networks are at the whim of the promoter and can't force a fight. In what other sport have you ever heard the president of a network being the liaison for a negotiation?... Never.

I'm sure Ross Greenburg and HBO would've loved to make Mayweather-Pacquiao and a host of other matches that happened too late or never happened.

HBO executives are just too dumb (for the position) and lazy. They are in a premium position, they just don't have the ideas and drive to take boxing where they can take it.

[futureofboxing]

I agree man, thanks for the compliment, I'll answer your points. Boxing's always been independent entrepreneurs trying to make a profit. Owners of teams in sports leagues are also independent entrepreneurs trying to make a profit.

Promoters are a part of the problem, a huge one at that, but not in that sense.

I disagree with the networks not caring about the long term health of boxing. They're in it for the long run, especially seeing its potential in PPV and all the subscriptions they get because of it.

The fact is that the networks are at the whim of the promoter and can't force a fight. In what other sport have you ever heard the president of a network being the liaison for a negotiation?... Never.

I'm sure Ross Greenburg and HBO would've loved to make Mayweather-Pacquiao and a host of other matches that happened too late or never happened.

HBO executives are just too dumb (for the position) and lazy. They are in a premium position, they just don't have the ideas and drive to take boxing where they can take it.

Yes I know that it is true that owners of teams and sports are also independent entrepreneurs but they promote the entire sport. For example the NBA, MLB, and NFL promote the entire sport they do not just promote the LA Lakers or the New York Yankees they also promote the LA Clippers and the Kansas City Royals. I feel that HBO just promotes fighters and not the sport of boxing really that much. I do think they do a tremendous job though with the 24/7 and build up to some fights but I feel that they should finance in their boxing budget to do a build up show for every World Championship Boxing and Boxing After Dark shows.

Watch these videos when you find the time I think you will really get a lot out of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBj5X7mKVpM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMz19YRgSdI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFSanqzU8M

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Just one of the many reasons why boxing will be hard pressed to be a mainstream sport in American again.

[Heru]

Yes I know that it is true that owners of teams and sports are also independent entrepreneurs but they promote the entire sport. For example the NBA, MLB, and NFL promote the entire sport they do not just promote the LA Lakers or the New York Yankees they also promote the LA Clippers and the Kansas City Royals. I feel that HBO just promotes fighters and not the sport of boxing really that much. I do think they do a tremendous job though with the 24/7 and build up to some fights but I feel that they should finance in their boxing budget to do a build up show for every World Championship Boxing and Boxing After Dark shows.

Watch these videos when you find the time I think you will really get a lot out of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBj5X7mKVpM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMz19YRgSdI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFSanqzU8M

I've seen those, DuBoef is very smart and seems as if he genuinely knows and cares about the sport (you should read the article of his from a few months back on maxboxing), he can do a lot of good for boxing. What I don't know is why he hasn't begun to create the change if he's already the president of Top Rank. TR and GBP are now in the midst of a 2nd cold war between them.

Owners in other sports leagues don't actually promote though. Most majority owners just provide the money and what the year's budget will be and sit back, and let their huge staff, the league commissioner, and others take care of the heavy lifting. Those commissioners are making a base salary in the millions. Them and their staff combined with the other teams handle everything that has to do with the league as a whole (i.e. NFL network, merchandise, TV contracts, punishments and rules, etc.).

In boxing you have a bunch of Al Davis' running around negotiating and doing most of the leg work.

HBO used to do build up show for WCB fights. I don't why they stopped though because I heard the promoter pays for production anyway (and for 24/7) all they have to do is find half hour slots for it.

I think HBO would love to make the sport more popular, but they're entirely too lazy, unmotivated, and uninvolved to do that. I've seen articles from numerous boxing writers (especially Thomas Hauser and Steve Kim), that they don't really know, let alone are enthusiastic about boxing. They don't like to deal with the promoters, so they rather just sign an output deal or deal with 1 adviser and promoter and trust that the quality will be there.

That's the problem with HBO.