Freddie Roach: I’m against catchweight fights. Either do it or don’t."

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  • Evil Abed
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    Freddie Roach: I’m against catchweight fights. Either do it or don’t."

    WILD CARD

    I spent some time on Tuesday afternoon at the Wild Card Boxing Club, where I interviewed lightweight hopeful Mercito Gesta and his trainer/manager Vincent Parra. But as I always do, I had a few words with Freddie Roach, who is still awaiting the arrival of one Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., who, in one month, faces the tough Pawel Wolak in Mexico.

    Yes, as Yogi Berra once famously uttered, “This is déjà vu, all over again.”

    "We are going through the same thing," said Roach, laughing at the thought. "Again, once he’s here, he’s fine. Bob [Arum] is upset. He was here for a moment but then he had to go back over for a press conference. He’s having trouble getting back over. But again, I told him we need him back in the gym to practice and perfect what we’ve been working on because we’re not quite there yet. We did OK in the last fight [versus John Duddy] but we can do better."

    If he should beat Walek on September 11th, there could be a fight against Miguel Cotto on December 4th. But not having a full camp may not give Roach the evaluation time he desires.

    "I want to see what I can do with him in an eight-week camp," he said.
    "How perfect we can be. We’re not going to get everything done, of course; he’s human. But the thing is, he can make it a lot easier on himself if he’s here already."

    Soon after that assignment, he’ll be on his way to work his best known client, Manny Pacquiao.


    "The 11th is the Chavez fight; I come back here on the 12th; the plans are for me to leave for the Philippines on the 13th," said Roach, who wants to return to some familiar haunts. "I’m pushing for Baguio but because of Congress, he might have to be in Manila. So we’re working that out right now. Manny just built a brand new gym in Manila."


    Does it come with bleachers for all the expected visitors that are sure to arrive?

    "I’m going to shut the doors; I have to," insisted Roach. "This is a big fight, possibly at a new weight division."


    Yeah, the junior-junior middleweight division of 150 pounds.

    "I still want this fight at ’47," said Roach. "But I don’t think I’m going to get quite there. They’re talking about catchweights, I’m against catchweight fights. Either do it or don’t."

    Geez, I never knew Freddie was such a traditionalist. But hasn’t he been involved in quite a few of these with his work with Pacquiao and Bernard Hopkins a few years ago?

    "Well, Pacquiao’s only had one, though. I mean, they’re calling him the ’Catchweight King’ but he had [only] one. So it’s a little unfair," said Roach, laughing loudly. But a 150-pound weight limit for the vacant WBC junior middleweight belt is something he opposes. "I mean, if you’re going to fight for a title, fight for the whole one."

    Also, Roach gets asked all the time, “So how’s Manny?” He wants to clarify that he talks to the Congressman about as much as you or I when they are not in training camp. The respected trainer admits, "I don’t talk to him ever. I’ll get a BBM (Blackberry message) message from him sometimes and I’ll say, ’Hi’ back. ’How’s congress?’ I’m not good at texting and stuff so my answers are very short back to him. But the thing is, we don’t communicate [all that much]. When we see each other is when we speak."


    Leading up to their fights, whatever dialogue they engage in will focus mainly on the upcoming camp and discussions of where they will train and prospective sparring partners. And now, with his political duties, they speak even less.

    "I haven’t spoken to him since he left America. The last time I saw him was at the Hall of Fame dinner," which took place in early June in New York. "I said, ’Congratulations, Manny.’ He was so swamped that night, I didn’t even get too much of a conversation that night. But we were happy to see each other. We have no problem with each other. We understand [that] he does his thing; I do my things.

    "He knows I’m working; I know he’s working. So it’s not a problem."

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  • Mr. Fantastic
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    LOL I swear Roach is bipolar.

    Wasn't he saying that Shane was too good and he wanted a catch weight for that too?

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    • Khalid X
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      #3
      This just goes to show that Freddie Roach has zero say as far as Manny's career. Dude didn't even want the Margarito fight but since that is what Arum wants, he has no choice but to accept it.

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      • ThePunchingBag
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        Arum is a *****.

        Manny needs to leave that old fart.

        He's basically railroading Manny into fighting Margarito, instead of fighting to get Mayweather.

        You don't stop chasing a 50 million dollar fight for a ****ty 10 million dollar fight.

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        • ThePrince
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          #5
          This isn't anything new. Koncz is the one always pushing for a catchweight, he even wanted one for the Clottey fight but Arum and Roach shut that idea down quickly. Roach knows that Pac destroys Margs at 147, 150, 154... any weight, he doesn't see the need for the CW.

          But I agree w/ him that the fight should be at 147, 150 really makes no sense. It doesn't help Pac really because Margs is a natural welter and probably only went up to 154 because Arum wanted to set up this match or a rematch w/ Cotto for LMW belts/Pac's 8th divisional title. Having the fight at 150 just means Antonio will have 3 less pounds to shed/dehydrate and Pacquiao (who eats like 5 meals + many protein shakes a day to make 144-145) will have to add on 5-6 more pounds, and try to make it all lean muscle. That's definitely an advantage for Margarito, one of many that he will have (size, length, etc).

          147 is where Antonio has been at his best historically, and Pacquiao has proven he can take out big, strong welters with ease.

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          • NesNY
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            #6
            yep. agree with both.

            Roach's words should be taken for what they are. He's just a trainer, man. He doesn't have much say in Manny's fights. He helps train his fighters for their opponents, and that's it.

            Shane going to Roach to ask to fight Manny means nothing. It matters a **** if Roach said Shane was too big or too good....if Arum made the fight, it would've been at a catchweight...guaranteed. Arum simply thought there was more money in a Cotto fight (plus it was in-house).

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            • ATG Fighter
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              I don't think Roach like catchweights or the Margarito fight. But he doesn't decide ****. He has little say in this.

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              • flipbjefrox
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                #8
                it's that **** Koncz who always talk about catchweights

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                • Tobi.G
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                  #9
                  More and more Arum is becoming a ****witt!! I mean hes the guy who always wants the catchweight bull****, not Roach who always was a great trainer and honest man.

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                  • Gorilla Dogs
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                    #10
                    man its going to be interesting to see pac at 150 tbh

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