Cloud is rubbish at controlling distance

[ghost deini]

I noticed in his fight with Johnson that he doesn't seem to control distance well Johnson could walk in anytime he felt like it and get in Cloud's face

this is why I think Dawson would school him watch how Dawson in his second fight with Johnson stays at the perfect distance where he can hit Johnson and not be hit himself

Cloud looks like he just wants a war and with a accurate puncher like Dawson he could get tagged up trying to engage him

what do you guys think?

[PittyPat]

Cloud's inside game sucks, and he can't counterpunch for ****. I would almost say Johnson exposed a part of him in that fight - it's like Cloud looked lost whenever he was pushed around at close range.

He's a long/mid-range fighter with tons of powerful punches, but that's about it.

[ghost deini]

Cloud's inside game sucks, and he can't counterpunch for ****. I would almost say Johnson exposed a part of him in that fight - it's like Cloud looked lost whenever he was pushed around at close range.

He's a long/mid-range fighter with tons of powerful punches, but that's about it.

good observation

from what i saw he really isn't that special apart from his power

i don't think he is as good as say a tarver or johnson in their prime

if a 41 year old glen johnson can hit him that many times imagine what he would've done to him a good few years back

[PittyPat]

I was just surprised as hell that he looked so confused when Johnson brang it to him. Cloud's meant to be this fearless ****er, but at times he was made to look really average in there.

Still, one doesn't know how Dawson deals with a pressure fighter with the kind of power that Cloud has. The fights with Tarver and Johnson didn't answer very many questions about Dawson's ability to take hard punches for 12 rounds.

[ИATAS]

I was just surprised as hell that he looked so confused when Johnson brang it to him. Cloud's meant to be this fearless ****er, but at times he was made to look really average in there.

You don't think most of that was Cloud just taking time off? Being that he's so explosive which uses a lot of energy, Cloud goes through stretches of time of not doing anything. I don't think that's being confused I think that's just conserving energy, imo.

Still, one doesn't know how Dawson deals with a pressure fighter with the kind of power that Cloud has. The fights with Tarver and Johnson didn't answer very many questions about Dawson's ability to take hard punches for 12 rounds.

Agreed. That's why I don't like when people say Cloud has NO CHANCE at all. I think Dawson should be favored, but Cloud shouldn't be ruled out entirely and labeled a no hoper. Dude has explosive power and the right kind of style that has already been shown to bother Dawson.

[PittyPat]

You don't think most of that was Cloud just taking time off? Being that he's so explosive which uses a lot of energy, Cloud goes through stretches of time of not doing anything. I don't think that's being confused I think that's just conserving energy, imo.

No, I don't think so. Against Woods he never stopped punching - not for a single round. To me, it looked as though Johnson made him hesitant and took away his confidence when throwing on the inside. It's like Cloud was shocked that the old guy was constantly up in his grill, ****ing and barking away like a dog. :laff2:

"ARF ARF!!! ARF ARF!!!"

[ИATAS]

No, I don't think so. Against Woods he never stopped punching - not for a single round.

That's not true man, there were periods of time against Woods where Cloud would do the same thing. Maybe it's out of your memory but rewatch it if it's been a while. He even did it against Julio Cesar Gonzalez.

To me, it looked as though Johnson made him hesitant and took away his confidence when throwing on the inside. It's like Cloud was shocked that the old guy was constantly up in his grill, ****ing and barking away like a dog. :laff2:

"ARF ARF!!! ARF ARF!!!"

lol arf! some of it may have been some frustration on the god damn steel chin of johnson but I would imagine he expected that.

[PittyPat]

That's not true man, there were periods of time against Woods where Cloud would do the same thing. Maybe it's out of your memory but rewatch it if it's been a while. He even did it against Julio Cesar Gonzalez.

Actually you're right, it has been a while. I'll go over it again and have a look. I just have this memory of it being a far easier fight for Cloud than last weekend.

lol arf! some of it may have been some frustration on the god damn steel chin of johnson but I would imagine he expected that.

It certainly beats Alexander's non-stop, frantic, womanly yelping with every punch thrown (it's my only gripe against the guy). :yuck:

[Iceta Lives]

Dawson goes through Zab Judah moments of inactivity as well. He doesn't fight on the inside all that much either. And what are you tryin to say Cloud doesn't know how to counter punch? That's exactly how he hurt Johnson in the 5th round.

[ИATAS]

Actually you're right, it has been a while. I'll go over it again and have a look. I just have this memory of it being a far easier fight for Cloud than last weekend.

It was definitely easier for Cloud against Woods and Gonzelez cuz Johnson is a machine. But yeah, every fight he'll explode for 30-45 seconds, then not do much for over a minute, then explode again for a few seconds.

Reed and I were talkin about it and we basically concluded he does this because he's so explosive he puts everything into those murderous punches that it takes a lot of energy so he basically recharges after.

It certainly beats Alexander's non-stop, frantic, womanly yelping with every punch thrown (it's my only gripe against the guy). :yuck:

haha, man, Alexander's voice is hilarious. My friend watched the fight with me, never seen Alexander before, and during the post-fight interview he started crackin up as soon as Devon said a word