Pacman to Mayweather: “Prove Your Greatness, Get In The Ring With Me!” August 8th, 2

[Twako]

So let me understand you. What your saying is that Manny was already that big? So all this "Manny fights bigger guys" is bull ****? Cuz according to you, he was draining himself? So the catch weights are to weaken his opponents given the fact that he already weighed 147 against Cotto? And basically Hatton fought a 147 natural WW Manny at 140?

Lol...I dont think u understand..

try to think out of the box. manny may walk around as a WW back then but that's not all bulk. he could drain those extra fat and water to make 130 and 135 for the weigh-in. come fight night, he'd weigh around 144.

but moving up to JWW and WW, he needed the extra muscle and bulk. im sure you've read that he has to eat 6x a day w/ protein shakes just to keep on the weight he'd lose during training right? other WW's dont do this, they have to eat less to make weight.

[PrinceCharlez]

man, pls be consistent. you claim manny weighed 148 went he stepped in the ring with oscar. that's debatable but let's run with it.

then you use his weigh in weight when he fought diaz (135) to make your case. apples and apples. you should use his weight when stepped in the ring with diaz, should you not?

and what's that weight? 141? see, your 13 lbs is suspect at best.

Even 13 pounds is a lot of weight to put on in 6 months i dont care what u say. And who do you know that can gain 13 pounds of MUSCLE that quick? Be real?

[romaq7705]

If Manny was on roids, and he was randomly tested, do you think he would still be taking them IF he knew he was being tested? i doubt it. Thus he would be cleaning his system. IF manny is or was clean, taking a test wouldnt stop nothing. Hell he could've took the test, proved he was clean and beat Floyd...How great would that have been, knowing he was 100% legit?

Thing is.....That never happened

great! we're getting somewhere. i agree. if one is on ped's and the "cops" are randomly testing, of course that person will stop.

we're on the same page on that. actually even manny was on board. he never declined the test. however, as the saying goes, the devil is in the details.

the issue was the cutoff. during the 1st round of nego in dec, manny said 30, floyd said 0. manny budged and said 21 and floyd said 7. tempers flared and manny walked.

after manny walked, floyd said 14.

we go to the 2nd round, manny agrees to the 14. now, floyd says that isnt' good enough and reverts to 0.

now, here's where we are. are you ok with 14? or are you gunning for 0? if you're with 0, kindly answer me why is it ok for the usada to stop at 18 days for shane and floyd while it's not ok for manny.

clearly, the usada thinks 18 days out is enough. why is floyd adamant with 0. how nonsensical is that?

[romaq7705]

Even 13 pounds is a lot of weight to put on in 6 months i dont care what u say. And who do you know that can gain 13 pounds of MUSCLE that quick? Be real?

man, why are you harping at 13? when clearly it's not. it's 7 at most. that's a little more than 1.16 lb/month.

kindlay read what i wrote.

[Alibata]

Manny weighed 148 fight night against Oscar de la hoya...Thats the weight he walked from his dressing room to the ring. He went from 135 to 148 in 6 months...

Go to 2:20 and listen..




Soon as you click play...you'll see what Manny's weight really was..he went from 135 to 148 in 6 months...

You are an idiot. You did not even get what he was saying. Manny was weighing in the same against opponents when he was at the light weight classes. Yah dig. He was already weighing well over 140 when he was fighting at lightweight. You are talking about hydrated weight right? Manny was weight drained at the lighter weights. Somebody post the gif of Manny and what he weighed against David diaz, Morales, etc. You will see Manny was already coming in well over 140 after the weigh in.

[tredh]

ok. i'll bite. what you wrote is true. both manny and shane passed all the tests.

the question is, what test? manny agreed to the 14 day cutoff that floyd offered. now, that isn't good enough and floyd wants blood testing all the way up to the day before the fight.

how is this fair? the blood tests for shane and floyd ended 18 days before the fight. clearly the usada thinks that is enough- despite the fact that shane is a confessed user. 18 day cutoff is enough and the 14 day cutoff is well within this window.

now, if you're one with those agreeing with floyd that they should draw blood up to the day before the fight, pls explain.

To my knowledge they both passed the test of NSAC. Which says a lot IMO. Now yes Manny did agree to a offer that was no longer something that was acceptable to PBF. Now whether PBF is right or wrong in anybody's opinion right now doesn't matter.
I am not saying that PBF taking the offer off the table is fair just how he feels. Yes the blood testing for PBF vs. Mosley stopped 18 days before the fight. Point is though that neither PBF or Mosley had prior knowledge that the testing would stop 18 days before the fight. There IMO lies the major difference having knowledge of when the testing will stop doesn't prevent someone from trying to use something. I am not accusing anybody of using anything. PBF and Shane had agreed to testing up until the fight so neither man could try anything because they had no idea when the testing would stop which would discourage either man of trying to pull something.

For the record I agree with both offers. I feel 14 day cut off is good enough and I also see no reason why both can't agree to no cut off and possibly be tested all the up until the fight. Just how I feel both are good deals to me.

[PrinceCharlez]

great! we're getting somewhere. i agree. if one is on ped's and the "cops" are randomly testing, of course that person will stop.

we're on the same page on that. actually even manny was on board. he never declined the test. however, as the saying goes, the devil is in the details.

the issue was the cutoff. during the 1st round of nego in dec, manny said 30, floyd said 0. manny budged and said 21 and floyd said 7. tempers flared and manny walked.

after manny walked, floyd said 14.

we go to the 2nd round, manny agrees to the 14. now, floyd says that isnt' good enough and reverts to 0.

now, here's where we are. are you ok with 14? or are you gunning for 0? if you're with 0, kindly answer me why is it ok for the usada to stop at 18 days for shane and floyd while it's not ok for manny.

clearly, the usada thinks 18 days out is enough. why is floyd adamant with 0. how nonsensical is that?

Heres the thing. When testing is random there should be no cut off dates. They should be allowed to test you up until the fight. WIth that said. If they chose to stop testing you a day before the fight or a week before the fight, or even 2 weeks before the fight, that fighter shouldnt know when the cut off date is. That should be up to the testing firm. So even if the cut off date is a week out for example, that fighter should still be expecting to be tested. In the case of Mayweather vs Mosley that was the case. They had a 18 day off but they still expected to be randomly tested although they had stopped testing them and after the fight they were tested again....A cut off date is fine..the fighters should be unaware of it though IMO.

[Alibata]

Heres the thing. When testing is random there should be no cut off dates. They should be allowed to test you up until the fight. WIth that said. If they chose to stop testing you a day before the fight or a week before the fight, or even 2 weeks before the fight, that fighter shouldnt know when the cut off date is. That should be up to the testing firm. So even if the cut off date is a week out for example, that fighter should still be expecting to be tested. In the case of Mayweather vs Mosley that was the case. They had a 18 day off but they still expected to be randomly tested although they had stopped testing them and after the fight they were tested again....A cut off date is fine..the fighters should be unaware of it though IMO.

The thing is you opinion is of no consequence nor is Floyd's in the biggest picture of legacy and historical implications. The public has spoken and seems ok with whatever manny has agreed with. It is floyd they are calling a coward now and it is up to Floyd to prove he is not. They asked Manny to prove he is not a cheat and Manny has responded in an acceptable manner to most except the most loyal Floyd fans. Now they are asking Floyd to prove he is not a coward. The burden of proof is on Floyd now.

[NECK SNAPPER]

Its all build up floyd is not going to run from pac.
Just the way pac is not going to run.there building up a fight
thats going to pay them 50mil each.it needs a story bigger than life. But watch out who you pick cause if its the wrong guy you
wont here the end of it.

[PrinceCharlez]

The thing is you opinion is of no consequence nor is Floyd's in the biggest picture of legacy and historical implications. The public has spoken and seems ok with whatever manny has agreed with. It is floyd they are calling a coward now and it is up to Floyd to prove he is not. They asked Manny to prove he is not a cheat and Manny has responded in an acceptable manner to most except the most loyal Floyd fans. Now they are asking Floyd to prove he is not a coward. The burden of proof is on Floyd now.

Floyd was coward going into the castillo fight, corrales fight, hatton fight, oscar fight, mosley fight etc. This title of being a "Coward" is nothing new my friend. Why do you think he's fights sale out? According to *******s "People pay to see him lose"...If that is true then why is he still labled a coward after he dominates his opponents...there is no answer for that question...