Watched Alexander vs Kotelnik again this moring (while sober) my boy looked terrible.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

How did you have it?

I didn't score, I abandoned my card after the first 4 because I was too absorbed in the fight to score live, I'll download and watch it again to score -


but, my overall impression was that Alexander built a good early lead, Kotelnik started to come on in the middle rounds with the cleaner, more effective work, and that there were rounds for both at the Championship end of things...I'll say that Kotelnik looked better in his rounds than Alexander did in his, that Andriy landed the best shots in the fight, but I can see an argument for Alexander edging it in rounds won, or at least deserving to keep his titles, thanks to workrate mainly. I can see the case for Kotelnik, too, though, from my memory of the fight.



I'll come back to the thread with my card when I've had another look.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

No, he really isn't.


Alexander has the more accomplished record...and, again, laboring against a guy Khan skated by doesn't change that. That's one night and one common opponent, but it doesn't say anything for how they might respectively fare against future common opponents or against each other. Alexander's overall record at Championship level >>> Khan's.

Again, Alexander isn't a guy I was high on. But it is what it is, and he's more proven than Khan.


Also, stating that Kotelnik won a close fight -- as if a fact -- just shows where you're coming from.



If you want to bring Kotelnik into that mix, all well and good. I was just referring to the group of young guys, really, the under 30's who are each perceived as the potential future ruler at 140lb.

Resumes....Malignaggi and actually beating and dominating Kotelnik is better than anything Alexander has done.

Skills....Khan wins comfortably.

How they would fair against each other? Alexander has a punchers chance at best. And this is from someone who believed he'd be Khans toughest fight before last night.

[paulf]

I see Kotelnik taking the rematch because quite frankly, he gave Alexander way too much respect the first four rounds.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Resumes....Malignaggi and actually beating and dominating Kotelnik is better than anything Alexander has done.

Skills....Khan wins comfortably.

How they would fair against each other? Alexander has a punchers chance at best. And this is from someone who believed he'd be Khans toughest fight before last night.

c'mon Dirk...EVERYONE has a punchers chance against Khan

[Dirk Diggler UK]

c'mon Dirk...EVERYONE has a punchers chance against Khan

Yeah and thats all he has.

[BrooklynBomber]

I never thought much of Khan's win over Kotelnik. He was on the bike and massaging Kotelnik's gloves the whole night. Thats not what you call a domination. Alexander tried to do more, impress the crowd and that was his mistake against a fundamentally good counter puncher. If he biked his way all night throwing jabs and pity-pat punches he would have looked just as well as khan.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Resumes....Malignaggi and actually beating and dominating Kotelnik is better than anything Alexander has done.

Skills....Khan wins comfortably.

How they would fair against each other? Alexander has a punchers chance at best. And this is from someone who believed he'd be Khans toughest fight before last night.

Don't give me that Malignaggi BS. Anyone who's watched Paul long-time knows he hasn't been a genuine 140lb force for a while.


Khan's skillset is as relatively overrated as Alexander's was. You saw no flaws against Malignaggi? You think he's the rounded article? He does some things really well, but he's not the technical masterpiece you guys make out. Watch him pull that right foot when an opponent takes a step back and he throws his right hand, a quick guy who's all there anymore can counter him effectively, and if that guy also happens to be a puncher...


And, re. your head to head - exactly, you're going on some triangle crap. You're in the same zone as the guys who hailed Alexander the 2nd Coming on the back of the (admittedly impressive) Urango result.

[BrooklynBomber]

Another point about Khan is that he is not afraid to throw punches against guys who really cant clock him hard. We are yet to see how good he will look against someone who can actually hit him hard. My impression is that he will not be nearly as sterling as he was against Kotelnik. Small, powerless but technical fighters will always be Khan's clientelle.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

I never thought much of Khan's win over Kotelnik. He was on the bike and massaging Kotelnik's gloves the whole night. Thats not what you call a domination. Alexander tried to do more, impress the crowd and that was his mistake against a fundamentally good counter puncher. If he biked his way all night throwing jabs and pity-pat punches he would have looked just as well as khan.

^^ This is very valid insight/critique, too.


Watching from the floor at that fight, Khan was basically on his bike all night. It was a clear win, but it wasn't that dominating.

Alexander tried to be aggressive and aimed to please, which helped him look worse.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Another point about Khan is that he is not afraid to throw punches against guys who really cant clock him hard. We are yet to see how good he will look against someone who can actually hit him hard. My impression is that he will not be nearly as sterling as he was against Kotelnik. Small, powerless but technical fighters will always be Khan's clientelle.

^^ On-point again, in the bold.





And so far, those small, (relatively) powerless but technical fighters have been Khan's clientele exclusively. Not true of Bradley, Alexander or Maidana. One of a few key points these Khan guys are failing to acknowledge.