Short term memory makes people believe Hopkins won

[CUFreeze]

Mic- I just watched it again and after 2 rounds Hopkins landed 7 Taylor landed 15.

[tracylee]

I'm just callin' it like I see it. Why can't you stand Tarver. I thought for sure you would love the guy since he stopped Roy.

I love that he stopped jones, but dont much like the ego he 'stole' from jones by doing it. If you really want to know, I disliked Jones so much, and for so long, that when tarver ko'ed him I cried like a baby! So the fact that I was actually unbiased enough to score the first fight a draw at all should tell you youre being unfair in saying I forget how to score when it's jones! The 10 pts must system rules, and I know exactly how to use it.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

I didn't think you scored it a draw to be honest. I disagree with that score but find it acceptable. I think we are on the same page now. I get ya.

[tracylee]

Yah ... I know that technically, Taylor probably one the fight on points. But usually, in championship fights, the judges kind of BS around that, and the challenger has to dominate to get their title. This is just one of the problems I have with the way boxing is scored. I think Hopkins proved he was the better fighter, even though, by the rule book, the kid probably won, slightly. The kid threw a lot of punches that missed. His connect percentage was terrible, and he didn't land very many good shots. But he looked busy, and looking busy can win you rounds, because defense doesn't count for much on the score cards. I just thought it was a bad way to hand so many titles over to someone.

Isnt that pretty much the same complaint that so many DLH fans had over his 2nd loss to Mosley?? shane threw less, but they landed and were harder, etc. Get my point?? I'm not trying to confuse on purpose (it come quite naturally )

[tracylee]

I didn't think you scored it a draw to be honest. I disagree with that score but find it acceptable. I think we are on the same page now. I get ya.

sorry, I though I had posted that already...114-114. As in, not enough to take the champs belts. the other guy I debated this issue with for like 4 straight days finally decided my score wasnt too bad either, and he was die hard jones, all the way!

[MrCoop]

I just watched it. Hopkins landed more punches through that fight, and more power shots. The kid was throwing punches and missing on a lot of them. His connect percentage wasn't very good. The half of the fight was close, with a slight edge going to Taylor. The 7/8 rounds were very close. The last four rounds were dominated by Hopkins. I think it should have been a draw, at least. Taylor did not deserve a win. You have to take a fight from a champion. You can't take a fight from a champion by losing the championship rounds. Honestly, I've never seen a title get given away like that.

MY Thoughts exactly! A young DLH would not have gotten the decision again JCC if the fight was fought the same way. BOTTOM LINE IS TAYLOR DID NOT DO ENOUGH TO TAKE AWAY A 12 YR REIGN WITH THAT PERFORMANCE. Alot say that Taylor won 7 of first eight but rounds like 3, 7, & 8 were very close & if one of those was scored for Hopkins then at least it is a draw.

[Stealthic]

But how can you use total punch stats to determine who won each individual round?

[angelo_dundee]

No one has short term memory man. BHop was nicer, crisper in his punches thru out. Yes Taylor was the aggressor, and picked up points on that basis, but I had Hop winning it.

[Tarver is my dad]

Final compubox numbers for Hopkins/Taylor

Total Punches Landed / Thrown

Round 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

Hopkins 2/12 5/20 7/13 7/30 7/20 4/17 4/15 4/24 11/34 16/56 17/40 12/45
17% 25% 54% 23% 35% 24% 27% 17% 32% 29% 42% 27%

Taylor 3/33 12/39 5/38 7/39 8/38 17/45 6/30 5/41 6/43 8/42 4/28 5/37
9% 31% 13% 18% 21% 38% 20% 12% 14% 19% 14% 14%

Jabs Landed / Thrown

Round
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

Hopkins 0/6 0/7 3/7 2/11 0/3 2/11 1/5 1/12 6/15 1/13 1/7 1/12
0% 0% 43% 18% 0% 18% 20% 8% 40% 8% 14% 8%

Taylor 1/20 4/22 4/27 3/19 2/21 6/27 1/19 3/25 4/28 5/23 3/18 0/15
5% 18% 15% 16% 10% 22% 5% 12% 14% 22% 17% 0%

Power Punches Landed / Thrown

Round
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

Hopkins 2/6 5/13 4/6 5/19 7/17 2/6 3/10 3/12 5/19 15/43 16/33 11/33
33% 38% 67% 26% 41% 33% 30% 25% 26% 35% 48% 33%

Taylor 2/13 8/17 1/11 4/20 6/17 11/18 5/11 2/16 2/15 3/19 1/10 5/22
15% 47% 9% 20% 35% 61% 45% 12% 13% 16% 10% 23%