This was Arum's plan to make Manny vs Tony

[Carpe Diem]

Let the sheeps believe anything they want.

[Carpe Diem]

I think he did a great job at forcing Floyd to accepted his so called "terms". I never thought that i would say this, but i don't care if the fight never happen. Neither of them will fully sacrifice anything, and of course everyone knows Floyd will be forced more to bend over because Manny has the media full support 110%. If it happen, it happen. But i think Pacquiao and team deserved to taste their own medicine.

[JmH Reborn]

This fight is a farce, in all honesty. Firstly, why does Margarito even deserve a fight with Manny at this juncture? Secondly, there's no way in HELL that Margarito beats Manny. He's doing the J-O-B in this one. No way Arum even takes the chance of having Tony beat Manny in there. Tony will take a dive and make millions in the process. He's not going to go full-tilt with Manny. Not a chance. Arum won't allow that.

Thank you!

I swore I was the only one on here who sees this...and not only is Tony going to be jobbing to Manny Pacquaio, but so did Clottey. Shamefully, Clottey wasn't well versed on how to expertly job and throw a fight. You don't stand in a corner with your arms up before the opening bell. Oh well...hey, at least this fight will do 800K and all will go well.

[del515]

here is an interesting Fact:

just this year Mayweather offered Manny a purse parity a 14 day's testing cutoff with the 10 mill per pound penalty and Manny's choice of glove and the date of the fight

1) Fact check that "choice of glove" actually being in the contract
2) 10 mil per pound penalty had a basis given WW limit is @ 147 and Mayweather DID go over the weight limit and it had a basis
3) When Golden Boy was asked by Zab Judah for Olympic Style Testing during his bout against Mosley, Golden Boy responded that only if the Nevada Athletic Commission sets the rules and will only adhere to additional testing if the commission requires it
4) Interesting how with respect to point #3 above, Golden Boy has forgotten they even said that

Oh and the bottom below points are casual observations too that I think should be clarified:
5) Sugar Ray Robinson went around beating the **** out of boxers sometimes in as little as 3 times in 2 months. If you want to be the best, have got to be more active in the ring to cement that claim of "bext boxer ever".
6) If Floyd intends to retire w/out facing Pac, then its his choice. He doesn't owe the public or boxing anything. However the public holds the right to also determine his place in history and it won't be what Floyd claims; he isn't the best fighter ever, he'll always be ranked below Pac.
7) With regards to point #6 his place in history also is determined by the fact that Golden Boy, Schaeffer and Ellerbe all lied about the story. Greenburg has a tighter relationship with Golden Boy than Top Rank and if he was to lie, he'd benefit more backing up Golden Boy's version of events.
8) Margarito doesn't deserve a fight with Pac but he has a huge base of Maxican fans still which exceed Bradley, Alexander and Pwill and possibly Martinez. No matter what, any fight Pac takes does take a bit from him and I can respect his willingness to fight still.

And this I feel is the most important point:
9) Floyd can feel he's the **** or whatever but there is no one else he can take on other than Pac. He can argue about the purse but fact is he can ask for 65% with any other fight and still he won't make half of what he'll make taking Pac. He doesn't get to dictate the terms of everything at his convenience because Pac is the only legit dance partner he has. The weight penalty has a basis (he was overweight for Marquez), the basis for Olympic style testing is Mayweather Sr who claims Pac takes steroids and a drug that he claims is made so soldiers don't feel anything, even bullets (like really...like seriously r u fking kidding me....this is the evidence for Pac on roids....**** even George Bush with weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was far more believable than these statements from Mayweather).

Frankly nuthuggers for Mayweather will always nuthug their man and believe Aurum and Greenburg were lying. It doesn't matter if Mayweather doesn't want to fight, but that also means we don't have to subject ourselves to him saying he's better than Sugar Ray Robinson or Sugar Ray Leonard. Yea w/e Floyd Jr. Guess the dementia is hitting you earlier than it hit your dad when you make statements like that.

[fdotorres]

here is an interesting Fact:

just this year Mayweather offered Manny a purse parity a 14 day's testing cutoff with the 10 mill per pound penalty and Manny's choice of glove and the date of the fight

after getting wobbled by an old man that didn't even warm up, he decided to go on vacation and his team decided to deny any type of negotiations going on, even though the PRESIDENT OF HBO SPORTS confirmed them

[Carpe Diem]

Thank you!

I swore I was the only one on here who sees this...and not only is Tony going to be jobbing to Manny Pacquaio, but so did Clottey. Shamefully, Clottey wasn't well versed on how to expertly job and throw a fight. You don't stand in a corner with your arms up before the opening bell. Oh well...hey, at least this fight will do 800K and all will go well.

They better hope that the fight do $1M buys, or it's gonna be the same drama over and over. What leverage are they gonna use this time? Oh yeah, the media.

[del515]

Thank you!

I swore I was the only one on here who sees this...and not only is Tony going to be jobbing to Manny Pacquaio, but so did Clottey. Shamefully, Clottey wasn't well versed on how to expertly job and throw a fight. You don't stand in a corner with your arms up before the opening bell. Oh well...hey, at least this fight will do 800K and all will go well.

And what the hell did Marquez deserve to get a fight with Mayweather @ WW. Hmmmm Marquez @ WW and 20 lbs heavier than he ever fought before. Yup never saw that one coming. And the fight was delayed until Mexican Independence day too...Like that wasn't made to be a dive of a fight. Might as well have Mayweather make another "Undefeated" event with Calderon and have him move up to WW too. Bradly is a good fighter but doesn't have the fan base as Margarito and the fact is there are more Mexican fans out there willing to pay to see their boxer fight Pac than there are fans in the US willing to pay cash to see Bradley get beat. It comes down to money but get your conspiracy theory crap out of here as well. Clottey had no more of a chance than Cotto did. The same Vegas odds makers also chose Myweather over Mosley so I guess they plan it all huh.

[Pacquiao'd]

This fight is gonna' be a hard sell. Doing a million PPV buys would be huge. I'd guess about 800k. Margarito is a tough sell after the stunt he pulled. Manny does have a huge fanbase though. Actually, it's ridiculous quite frankly. Manny is easily the fighter of the decade, so he'll always draw huge crowd wherever/whoever he fights.

700k is decent. pulling 1.1 and 1.4 mil by yourself is huge

[Thread Stealer]

Arum all along preferred another in-house Top Rank fight over Pac-May IMO, but that doesn't excuse Floyd. Ross Greenburg is more believable to me than Team Mayweather.

Hopefully there is more that meets the eye and they will fight. Something strange to me about Arum constantly defending Floyd in that "deadline" interview and not bashing him. People have said that Arum was being nice because he was hoping Floyd would still agree to the fight, but Arum's always had a tough time biting his tongue when it comes to criticizing Floyd.

[fcastro1]

true obviously this was Arums preferred fight I honestly believe he just wanted to give the impression that he has at least trying to make the Mayweather fight.

but whatever this is just Arum being Arum

Yes he got the president of hbo to follow his scheme. Wtf are you people talking about. Arum is about that cash and this is the biggest money fight out there why wouldn't he be interested.