how can margo-manny be for the vacant wbc title??and angulos#1??

[IMDAZED]

It had more to do with the different circumstances of the fighters ranked above and around him that made him move up. Again I will copy and post info so you can get the WBC view on things, and not mine. Again hold on a sec as I gotta find the info I was viewing earlier.

Ohh...I get it. So where was he ranked before he was moved to #1? Hmm?

[Eaner0919]

WBC is basically just a belt for Mexicans.

hmmmm

http://wbcboxing.com/indexEng.php

so of the 17 champs they have

3 are Mexican

Soto- meh I don't think he earned it to be honest.
Montiel- who beat Hasegawa for his so IMO it's legit
Nino- who beat Mayol for his so IMO again it's legit

not exactly what you state

[-GDS-]

Because Robert Garcia is such a beast of a opponent.

[Khalid X]

how about you enlighten us as to what those rules are?

Here is a link to a downloadable PDF book listing all their rules and regulations

http://www.wbcboxing.com/downloads/NEW_RULES_AND_REGULATIONS_WEB_FINAL_2009.pdf

This is why Martinez was stripped
1.22
A WBC champion must always defend his WBC title if he fights in the same weight class division. Otherwise, the Champion agrees to relinquish his title;
This is why Martinez was approached and given a choice. He could have been flat out stripped but the did give him the courtesy of sitting down with him and giving him the option.


1.22.5
The WBC may sanction elimination bouts of rated boxers for the purpose of improvement in ratings or tournaments to select the boxers that will fight in a final elimination bout. Therefore, not all elimination fight are necessarily to designate the official mandatory challenger, unless designated as a final elimination bout by the WBC.

(Again this is what I was talking about Angulo fighting an elimination bout but still didn’t mean he was the number 1 guy)

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Vacant Title. If a title becomes vacant for any reason, the Board of Governors may in its discretion take whatever steps or actions it deems necessary or appropriate to fill the title, 10
including but not limited to: 1) authorize and cause to be instituted a tournament or elimination contest among leading available contenders in the division of the vacant title, with the winner being recognized as the new champion; or 2) authorize or cause to be instituted a direct bout between the two highest rated available boxers and recognize the winner as the champion; or 3) appoint as challenger the champion of a lower or higher division to contend against the highest rated available boxer of the division for the vacant title; or 4) recognize as champion the winner of a previous elimination bout.




So again this is me just repeating the WBC ruling on this and I just see them following protocol. These rules have been in place for a long time so it's not like they just made this stuff up.

[IMDAZED]

Here is a link to a downloadable PDF book listing all their rules and regulations

http://www.wbcboxing.com/downloads/NEW_RULES_AND_REGULATIONS_WEB_FINAL_2009.pdf

This is why Martinez was stripped
1.22
A WBC champion must always defend his WBC title if he fights in the same weight class division. Otherwise, the Champion agrees to relinquish his title;
This is why Martinez was approached and given a choice. He could have been flat out stripped but the did give him the courtesy of sitting down with him and giving him the option.


1.22.5
The WBC may sanction elimination bouts of rated boxers for the purpose of improvement in ratings or tournaments to select the boxers that will fight in a final elimination bout. Therefore, not all elimination fight are necessarily to designate the official mandatory challenger, unless designated as a final elimination bout by the WBC.

(Again this is what I was talking about Angulo fighting an elimination bout but still didn’t mean he was the number 1 guy)

1.26
Vacant Title. If a title becomes vacant for any reason, the Board of Governors may in its discretion take whatever steps or actions it deems necessary or appropriate to fill the title, 10
including but not limited to: 1) authorize and cause to be instituted a tournament or elimination contest among leading available contenders in the division of the vacant title, with the winner being recognized as the new champion; or 2) authorize or cause to be instituted a direct bout between the two highest rated available boxers and recognize the winner as the champion; or 3) appoint as challenger the champion of a lower or higher division to contend against the highest rated available boxer of the division for the vacant title; or 4) recognize as champion the winner of a previous elimination bout.




So again this is me just repeating the WBC ruling on this and I just see them following protocol. These rules have been in place for a long time so it's not like they just made this stuff up.

So where was Margarito ranked before he became #1? You say he attained this because the people in front of him (who?) got moved around. So where was he before/

[jrosales13]

Fact is this fight should NOT be for a title. Marg record at 154 is 1-1 if I am not mistaken or something like that. And, the wins that he does have is not against a top 10 guy. And, Pac hasn't fought in that weight-class yet.

However, I do get the sense that a few posters on this thread are taking aim or trying to **** on Pac and Arum. Instead of really ****tin on the WBC for sanctioning this as a title fight.

The WBC should say no title fight. But, they're so crooked that they don't give a damn as long as they get their money. And, that is suppose to be the "official belt"? GTFOH.

[Maidana vs Rios]

because Larry just stated that he heard it during the telecast. If that is the case then it makes sense why he started the thread the way he did. If they said that during the telecast I must have not caught it but I will take his word for it. With that said those were HBO commentators stating this and I have actually read several articles on this subject from the wbc themselves. They have said Margarito is the #1 rated guy numerous times, I just see it as the HBO guys stating false Info.

I really think they messed up and meant WBO instead of WBC which is not surprising as they often mess up on guys like Montiel's name or state inaccurate info from time to time.

it wasn't the hbo guys, it was michael buffer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knm6SBhKZtw#t=10m05s

pac-cheato shouldn't be for a title unless it's pac's 147 WBO belt.

doesn't matter anyway. floyd will change his mind and we'll have pac-floyd in december.

[jrosales13]

Margarito was ranked by the WBC. He did not just all of a sudden become rank cuz he is fighting Pac.

I am not sure if Marg is rank #1 cuz from what I know JCC Jr was rank #1 by the WBC.

I also remember hearing after Martinez got strip by the WBC at 154. That JCC Jr-Margarito could possibly fight for the vacant title.

The thing is WBC is crooked as hell. That is why is ridiculous to call it the official belt. Is a bull**** belt just like the WBA, IBF, and WBO.

[Khalid X]

1.26
Vacant Title. If a title becomes vacant for any reason, the Board of Governors may in its discretion take whatever steps or actions it deems necessary or appropriate to fill the title, 10
including but not limited to:

1) authorize and cause to be instituted a tournament or elimination contest among leading available contenders in the division of the vacant title, with the winner being recognized as the new champion; or

They have tried to do this but unfortunately alot of the guys that were in the top 10 either moved on or didn't take advantage of their opportunity to move up the ranking and fight for the vacant title

2) authorize or cause to be instituted a direct bout between the two highest rated available boxers and recognize the winner as the champion; or

They tried to do this first with Chavez Jr. but his team declined. They also approaced Alvarez but his team wanted to move down to 147 along with the fact that they felt he wasn't ready for the big names at 154. Then they tried to make Rhodes vs Margarito just a few weeks ago but this fight didn't materilize for various reasons. So you don't think I'm b.s.ing here is some links

Margarito vs Chavez Jr.
http://www.boxing 24.com/2010/06/chavez-jr-gets-big-opportunity-with-martinez-vacating-wbc-junior-middleweight-title/

*insert "news" between boxing and 24.*


Margarito vs Rhodes
http://www.boxing 24.com/2010/07/margarito-could-face-rhodes-for-vacant-wbc-light-middleweight-title/

*insert "news" between boxing and 24.*

Margarito vs Cintron

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=28646

Cintron was dropped outta the rankings for obvious reasons.

There are a ton of more links so if you need more proof just ask and I will post them.

3) appoint as challenger the champion of a lower or higher division to contend against the highest rated available boxer of the division for the vacant title; or

This is why we get Manny vs Margarito for the vacant title. Manny is WBO champ at WW and Margarito is #1 guy.

4) recognize as champion the winner of a previous elimination bout.

This is exercised as a last resort.

[Khalid X]

Ohh...I get it. So where was he ranked before he was moved to #1? Hmm?

I think I have done enough work in this thread enlightening those who were curious as to why Margarito is fighting for the title. With that said here is a list of their top 10 guys and please tell me which of these guys you feel should be rated above Margarito

1. Antonio Margarito
2. Saul Alvarez
3. Ryan Rhodes
4. Joachim Alcine
5. Kermit Cintron
6. Vanes Maritosyan
7. Alfredo Angulo
8. Sergio Mora
9. Luis COllazo
10. Zaurbek Baysangurov

I will admit these names are the hottest names in boxing but again how would you organize this list and why? I say this is because I have answer each and every question in this thread and I want people to step up and present a counter argument. Only thing I have gotten is Margarito is a POS and Margarito is a scumbag.