THE NEGOTIATION: The (Unofficial) Inside Story of Mayweather-Pacquiao - June 2010

[Vito Corleone]

Im just putting it out there u have to be one of the most biased persons on this forum

u say if manny is essentially offering the same contract that floyd originally offered him then why dont floyd take it if it was a good enuf contract to offer manny in the first place

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Because conditions have changed. And Floyd stated five months ago that the deal was off the table.

That's why.

[Silky-Flow]

This post is without doubt THE TRUTH, but i'm afraid you're wasting your time vito because the *******s just don't get it, Floyd doesn't agree to Pac's demands and is labled a "coward" but when Pac ran away from the deal first he was hailed a "hero" , it's clearly double standards but i have no doubt the fight will get made sooner or later and when it does the *******s will have nowhere to hide.

[rommel357]

This post is without doubt THE TRUTH, but i'm afraid you're wasting your time vito because the *******s just don't get it, Floyd doesn't agree to Pac's demands and is labled a "coward" but when Pac ran away from the deal first he was hailed a "hero" , it's clearly double standards but i have no doubt the fight will get made sooner or later and when it does the *******s will have nowhere to hide.

So Floyd saying he doesn't want to fight Manny right now is not valid or legit. Logic would say that by Floyd saying that, that he didn't had any issues with the proposed contract and that there was a negotiation. So again, is Floyd lying in your opinion.

[Vito Corleone]

So Floyd saying he doesn't want to fight Manny right now is not valid or legit. Logic would say that by Floyd saying that, that he didn't had any issues with the proposed contract and that there was a negotiation. So again, is Floyd lying in your opinion.

No, No, No. Logic doesn't dictate that at all. Floyd didn't say anything about boxing. What Floyd said was the equivalent of a "no comment".

You guys can "if" a ten second quote to death. But he clearly was not elaborating on boxing.

[Don Johnson]

I find it funny how people put so much effort in to defending am an they do not know personally and a man that prolly doesn't give a **** about them.

[Horus]

Disclaimer: I do not have a link. If you need that, stop reading now, assume what follows is all bull****, and don't even comment. However, if you have an open (but still skeptical) mind, and want a perspective, read on. Also, we won't be calling silly names or "coward" in this thread. Or you will be invited not to participate.

A contact within the boxing media shared his understanding of what happened and why the negotiations failed. And there's blame to spread on both sides.

First of all, there is a misunderstanding from the press conference. ARUM said that 'there was no message' from Team Mayweather. Many people (myself included) took this to mean that Team mayweather never responded. That was not the case. There was a back-n-forth dialogue between the camps. So, whether Arum misspoke, or was misunderstood, let's just establish that there was an exchange and a somewhat real negotiation going on.

The skinny: Back in December, the last deal that was on the table was the 14 day cutoff and 50/50 purse split. Pac was cool with 50/50, not cool with 14 days, and Pac walked away. We all know that.

Now, in February (2/15/10 to be exact), Floyd announced that the 14day, 50/50 deal was off the table. He announced that to David Mayo and some other media. Floyd went on to fight Shane using random drug testing.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The...er_the_weekend

"I gave him a chance, up to 14 days out. But my new terms are all the way up to the fight. They can come get us whenever, all the way up to the fight, random drug test. That's what it is."



"[If the Mosley-Mayweather pay-per-view does better than Pacquiao-Clottey], instead of 20 or 25 [million dollars], he may have to drop to 15, or 17. And you know me, they may have to throw that extra 5 or 10 on mine, and we can rock and roll. Take it or leave it."



So, shortly after the May/Moz fight, Pac announced that he was willing to do 14 days, and that all the obstacles were now gone. I believe the Pac quote was "Now Floyd has no reason not to fight". But in the Mayweather camp, they weren't even considering the 14 day cutoff as viable anymore, because they just did true OST with Mosley - random. And outsold Pac yet again.

Additionally (and to my surprise) Floyd did ask for a higher revenue split based on outselling Pac in pretty much all their fights. So, when Koncz said Floyd asked for a 60/40 split, that appears to be true.

Arum and Pac have stuck to their guns on the 14 day, 50/50 tip. They did send a proposal to Floyd. That was 14 day, 50/50. That contract is essentially laughable to Team Mayweather.

The reason Bob Arum is not specifying what “the terms” are is because Team Pac is essentially offering the same terms that they declined six months ago. Not good from a negotiation standpoint. Not ideal from a PR standpoint.

The reason Arum seems so conciliatory towards Floyd is because he got direct feedback from Ross about his approach. Arum has called Mayweather a coward, has insulted Richard in the media (saying that RS doesn’t have boxing knowledge to understand, etc) and has insulted Oscar and HBO executives as well. Just overall surly.

Mayweather fans: Floyd and Team May have not been responsive or very communicative. They have taken a hard line . Basically a “**** Arum” approach. They feel they are in the driver’s seat, and they want their terms. Full random testing, and the higher revenue share. Team May shares the blame for not pushing hard in negotiations. Their stance is “take it or leave it”. Floyd made $65 million in the past ten months. He isn’t pressed.
Plus, Floyd doesn’t want to give one extra dime to Arum, who has been insulting him in the media for a year straight.

Pacquiao fans: Manny and Bob were deceptive in negotiations. They came back to the offer from last year when they knew that offer was no longer valid or acceptable. It also begs the question: If 14 days and 50/50 is a great deal now, what made it such an unacceptable deal six months ago? Were you dealing in good faith? Team Pac must be faulted for not accepting the realities of the revenue and PPV history, and not accepting 43%, 45% or 48%.
Roach said “we have agreed to all Mayweather’s terms. Many will take ANY test to get Floyd in the ring”. But then in the contract, they put the 14 day cutoff.

Further, Arum is deceptive to the public – speaking only half-truths. He gives tons of detail on the trivialities, and you haven’t heard anything about contract specifics.


So, that is what I have been told. It sounds reasonable to me. Nobody is scared of anybody. It’s a hard line negotiation by two sides that hate each other and neither wants to budge. If Pac wants the fight, why not make a concession? If May wants the fight, why not negotiate harder?

My personal feeling? If Arum was not involved, things would go better. Everything that Arum does just feels slimy and shady. Arum knows that Haymon doesn't play the media game, and Bob sets up one-sided press conferences. And has been talking to the media for weeks.

Discuss. Don’t flame.

very true.. but i heard Mayweather is willing to have the cut off at 14 days.
but no 50/50 split.

[The Big Dunn]

I would just say Bob has been deceptive. Manny hasn't said anything.

[rommel357]

No, No, No. Logic doesn't dictate that at all. Floyd didn't say anything about boxing. What Floyd said was the equivalent of a "no comment".

You guys can "if" a ten second quote to death. But he clearly was not elaborating on boxing.

He was asked about fighting Manny, and he responded about fighting Manny. How is "i don't want to fight Manny right now" equates to no comment and there were no negotiations. This must be a ***** logic and language that only a ***** can understand. But please elaborate anyway, i'd really like to hear your explanation on this.

[Vito Corleone]

very true.. but i heard Mayweather is willing to have the cut off at 14 days.
but no 50/50 split.

Welcome back... Get your ass back on The Civilized Gentleman on Facebook. I'm going to be posting more boxing there...and of course, more women.

Hey, It's all about the money for Floyd. So I would think you're right. The priority would be

1) Money (PPV purse split, rebroadcast fees, int'l licensing, etc)
2) Drug testing protocols
3) All other conditions (billing rights, gloves, walkout, trunk length, rematch clauses, etc)

ALSO, I heard (take it for what you want) that Floyd didn't like the economics of how the promotional cut worked. Remember that GBP was not involved in the second negotiations. Because, this time, he would actually have to split the money with an outside promoter. And using GBP would essentially make it THREE promoters.

The idiot peasant *******s don't understand basic economics, so this discussion is beyond them.

One of the reasons that Pac is conciliatory is that he wants to secure a favourable deal for Top Prank. Top Prank really doesn't have to do ANYTHING to promote this fight. And they stand to make the largest cut a promoter has ever made. So Haymon wants them to take a flat fee rather than a percentage. We all know who "sells" a fight during the build-up period and on 24/7's.

Horus, did you know that HBO paid for all of Floyd's 24/7's but made Top Prank pay for Pacquiao's 24/7 with Oscar because that fight under-performed

[Vito Corleone]

He was asked about fighting Manny, and he responded about fighting Manny. How is "i don't want to fight Manny right now" equates to no comment and there were no negotiations. This must be a ***** logic and language that only a ***** can understand. But please elaborate anyway, i'd really like to hear your explanation on this.

Jeez, you are daft. And, apprently, a liar.

Because you know Floyd never said that... but it makes you feel better to insert words in his mouth,