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Nice thread, didn't know Griffin and Roy were friends. I can understand that fear boxers have of going overseas and getting screwed over, it happens. There shouldn't be any debate about who would have won that fight.
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I will start off my post by saying yes he did test positive for a banned substance by the IBF... it's his fault, and he's an idiot for doing so.
With that said, not all banned substances are created equal, just like all crimes are not created equal.
A person who robs a house, and a person who murders 3 people, have both broken the law, but you certainly wouldn't hold them to the same counts or responsibility.
What I am trying to say is, What Roy tested positive for... was not a hardcore (needle injection) HGH, EPO.. SERIOUS steroid. Although, it may have been banned by the IBF... it was nationally legal... and sold throughout the entire country in stores like GNC in every mall outlet everywhere.
Does that make it right? No of course not. But I ask you to at least look at how severe is the chemical, when it was put in energy drinks and sold in outlets.
You will never find HGH or hardcore steroid muscle building roids in any store in a mall.
There are levels of severity.
I felt the need to really research myself, the differences in the steroid issues between fighters.
James Toney
Tested Positive for: boldenone and stanazolol
Toney tested positive for boldenone and stanazolol, and Batchelder tested positive for stanazolol and oxandolone, Garcia said. If they don't appeal, the boxers would be suspended one year from the date of their fight.
Generic name: Boldenone Undecylenate
Boldenone undecyclenate is a very popular steroid. This steroid is only available legally at a veterinarian clinic. Boldenone is a highly anabolic, moderately androgenic steroid. For this very reason, it is typically taken in a stack with other steroids like testosterone if you are on a mass cycle or perhaps with winstrol if you are on a cutting cycle. The main benefit of taking equipoise is that it increases protein synthesis in the muscle cells. Boldenone gives you slower but much more high quality gains in muscle as opposed to the normal "quick" muscle gains that you would expect from a testosterone. You can expect around 3 weeks before you start seeing results and they are not going to be staggering, but will be "more permanent" than any gains you would get from any of the multiple testosterones that are available. This steroid stays active in the system longer than most of the testosterones as well. This makes equipoise a poor choice if you run the possibility of being drug tested.
Stanazolol also known as Winstrol
Winstrol® is a popular brand name for the anabolic steroid stanozolol. This compound is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, although its activity is much milder than this androgen in nature. It is technically classified as an anabolic steroid, shown to exhibit a slightly greater tendency for muscle growth than androgenic activity in early studies. While dihydrotestosterone really only provides androgenic side effects when administered, stanozolol instead provides quality muscle growth. Admittedly the anabolic properties of this substance are still mild in comparison to many stronger compounds, but it is still a reliable builder.
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Shane Mosley
Tested positive for "The Cream" and the "The Clear" From BALCO Laboratories.
Shane Mosley said last night that he inadvertently took two designer steroids — "the cream" and "the clear" — before his championship fight against Oscar De La Hoya in 2003 after he was misled by BALCO founder Victor Conte about what he was actually taking.
The Cream
The Cream is the slang name given by Victor Conte to a transdermal designer steroid, containing testosterone and epitestosterone, designed by BALCO to avoid detection on drug tests. While testosterone is certainly an anabolic steroid, epitestosterone is simply an inactive epimer of the parent hormone hormone. The reason the latter would be included in “the cream” along with testosterone is to beat doping tests based on the testosterone:epitestosterone ratio.
Roughly 50% of epitestosterone production in human males is from the testes (1), the rest being produced via other pathways (2). In general a 1:1 ratio is a normal testosterone:epitestosterone ratio. Both testosterone as well as epitestosterone (3) are able to be tested for on a doping control test.
The Clear
Unlike most anabolic steroids, this one was synthesized in the last couple of years with the intent for it to be used by athletes seeking to beat sports doping tests. It’s actually a pretty decent anabolic, basically being a cross between gestrinone and trenbolone (1) Frankly, it would have likely still been beating tests and helping athletes break records, if a sample of it hadn’t been sent by Trevor Graham (2-3), a disgruntled coach, to Don Cailin of the World Anti-Doping Agency.
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Fernando Vergas
Tested Positive for Stanozolol.
Marc Ratner, the athletic commission's executive director, said that Vargas' post-fight urinalysis came back positive for stanozolol. It's the same drug that cost sprinter Ben Johnson his gold medal and world record in the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics
http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/2002/0927/1437648.html
Stanozolol (also known as winstrol)
Winstrol® is a popular brand name for the anabolic steroid stanozolol. This compound is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, although its activity is much milder than this androgen in nature. It is technically classified as an anabolic steroid, shown to exhibit a slightly greater tendency for muscle growth than androgenic activity in early studies. While dihydrotestosterone really only provides androgenic side effects when administered, stanozolol instead provides quality muscle growth. Admittedly the anabolic properties of this substance are still mild in comparison to many stronger compounds, but it is still a reliable builder.
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Roy Jones Jr
Tested positive for androstenedione.
The post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione, which is a banned substance by the IBF. Androstenedione is a natural steroid hormone that was commonly available over the counter as a supplement until 2004 when the FDA made the over the counter sale of androstenedione illegal. Jones admitted to taking the product "ripped fuel" which was sold in GNC and every nutritional supplement outlet.Jones was able to keep his title and was not fined or suspended for the positive test. All of Jones' other post-fight drug tests before and after this fight came back clean. He ended the year by stopping Eric Harding in the 10th round of a one sided fight, once again successfully retaining the title.
Androstenedione
Androstenedione is a steroid hormone produced in the adrenal glands and ovaries. It functions as a precursor to both testosterone and estrogen. Androstenedione ("andro") is manufactured as a dietary supplement and marketed as a natural alternative to anabolic steroids, claiming to enhance sports performance and increases muscle mass. However, some studies suggest that Androstenedione supplementation may have adverse health consequences due to its androgenic and estrogenic properties. [1-4] Androstenedione has been banned by The National Football League, International Olympic Committee, and the National Collegiate Athletic Association.
Due to the lack of proven benefits and the potential risks, on March 11, 2004, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) suggested that manufactures stop distributing andro supplements. [5] In October, 2004, the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 was approved by the Senate and the House, and signed into law by President George W. Bush. As of January 20, 2005, this law is now enforceable.
PITTSBURGH--General Nutrition Centers (GNC) will begin checking customer ID to verify the shopper is 18 years or older when buying products intended for adult use. Affected GNC products include those containing ephedra, kava, melatonin,androstenedione or synephrine, which all have warning labels regarding underage usage.
Not all steroids are created equal.
JCC Jr. just got caught for using an illegal substance which was a diarretic to help him lose weight... we don't look at Chavez the same was we do as maybe say, Mosley.
Different severities.Last edited by THE REED; 07-14-2010, 08:29 AM.Comment
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Nice work with the thorough investigation Reed. People like to use this to put down Roy's whole career which is laughable. He did a mistake but it's far from as serious as what other has done and his opponent also tested positive.Comment
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Well thanks for clearing that up with an excellent post. I just hate it when these posters start picking on Griffins comments in an attempt to change the topic into a drug testing thread.I will start off my post by saying yes he did test positive for a banned substance by the IBF... it's his fault, and he's an idiot for doing so.
With that said, not all banned substances are created equal, just like all crimes are not created equal.
A person who robs a house, and a person who murders 3 people, have both broken the law, but you certainly wouldn't hold them to the same counts or responsibility.
What I am trying to say is, What Roy tested positive for... was not a hardcore (needle injection) HGH, EPO.. SERIOUS steroid. Although, it may have been banned by the IBF... it was nationally legal... and sold throughout the entire country in stores like GNC in every mall outlet everywhere.
Does that make it right? No of course not. But I ask you to at least look at how severe is the chemical, when it was put in energy drinks and sold in outlets.
You will never find HGH or hardcore steroid muscle building roids in any store in a mall.
There are levels of severity.
I felt the need to really research myself, the differences in the steroid issues between fighters.
James Toney
Tested Positive for: boldenone and stanazolol
Toney tested positive for boldenone and stanazolol, and Batchelder tested positive for stanazolol and oxandolone, Garcia said. If they don't appeal, the boxers would be suspended one year from the date of their fight.
Generic name: Boldenone Undecylenate
Boldenone undecyclenate is a very popular steroid. This steroid is only available legally at a veterinarian clinic. Boldenone is a highly anabolic, moderately androgenic steroid. For this very reason, it is typically taken in a stack with other steroids like testosterone if you are on a mass cycle or perhaps with winstrol if you are on a cutting cycle. The main benefit of taking equipoise is that it increases protein synthesis in the muscle cells. Boldenone gives you slower but much more high quality gains in muscle as opposed to the normal "quick" muscle gains that you would expect from a testosterone. You can expect around 3 weeks before you start seeing results and they are not going to be staggering, but will be "more permanent" than any gains you would get from any of the multiple testosterones that are available. This steroid stays active in the system longer than most of the testosterones as well. This makes equipoise a poor choice if you run the possibility of being drug tested.
Stanazolol also known as Winstrol
Winstrol® is a popular brand name for the anabolic steroid stanozolol. This compound is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, although its activity is much milder than this androgen in nature. It is technically classified as an anabolic steroid, shown to exhibit a slightly greater tendency for muscle growth than androgenic activity in early studies. While dihydrotestosterone really only provides androgenic side effects when administered, stanozolol instead provides quality muscle growth. Admittedly the anabolic properties of this substance are still mild in comparison to many stronger compounds, but it is still a reliable builder.
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Shane Mosley
Tested positive for "The Cream" and the "The Clear" From BALCO Laboratories.
Shane Mosley said last night that he inadvertently took two designer steroids — "the cream" and "the clear" — before his championship fight against Oscar De La Hoya in 2003 after he was misled by BALCO founder Victor Conte about what he was actually taking.
The Cream
The Cream is the slang name given by Victor Conte to a transdermal designer steroid, containing testosterone and epitestosterone, designed by BALCO to avoid detection on drug tests. While testosterone is certainly an anabolic steroid, epitestosterone is simply an inactive epimer of the parent hormone hormone. The reason the latter would be included in “the cream” along with testosterone is to beat doping tests based on the testosterone:epitestosterone ratio.
Roughly 50% of epitestosterone production in human males is from the testes (1), the rest being produced via other pathways (2). In general a 1:1 ratio is a normal testosterone:epitestosterone ratio. Both testosterone as well as epitestosterone (3) are able to be tested for on a doping control test.
The Clear
Unlike most anabolic steroids, this one was synthesized in the last couple of years with the intent for it to be used by athletes seeking to beat sports doping tests. It’s actually a pretty decent anabolic, basically being a cross between gestrinone and trenbolone (1) Frankly, it would have likely still been beating tests and helping athletes break records, if a sample of it hadn’t been sent by Trevor Graham (2-3), a disgruntled coach, to Don Cailin of the World Anti-Doping Agency.
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Fernando Vergas
Tested Positive for Stanozolol.
Marc Ratner, the athletic commission's executive director, said that Vargas' post-fight urinalysis came back positive for stanozolol. It's the same drug that cost sprinter Ben Johnson his gold medal and world record in the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics
http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/2002/0927/1437648.html
Stanozolol (also known as winstrol)
Winstrol® is a popular brand name for the anabolic steroid stanozolol. This compound is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, although its activity is much milder than this androgen in nature. It is technically classified as an anabolic steroid, shown to exhibit a slightly greater tendency for muscle growth than androgenic activity in early studies. While dihydrotestosterone really only provides androgenic side effects when administered, stanozolol instead provides quality muscle growth. Admittedly the anabolic properties of this substance are still mild in comparison to many stronger compounds, but it is still a reliable builder.
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Roy Jones Jr
Tested positive for androstenedione.
The post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione, which is a banned substance by the IBF. Androstenedione is a natural steroid hormone that was commonly available over the counter as a supplement until 2004 when the FDA made the over the counter sale of androstenedione illegal. Jones admitted to taking the product "ripped fuel" which was sold in GNC and every nutritional supplement outlet.Jones was able to keep his title and was not fined or suspended for the positive test. All of Jones' other post-fight drug tests before and after this fight came back clean. He ended the year by stopping Eric Harding in the 10th round of a one sided fight, once again successfully retaining the title.
Androstenedione
Androstenedione is a steroid hormone produced in the adrenal glands and ovaries. It functions as a precursor to both testosterone and estrogen. Androstenedione ("andro") is manufactured as a dietary supplement and marketed as a natural alternative to anabolic steroids, claiming to enhance sports performance and increases muscle mass. However, some studies suggest that Androstenedione supplementation may have adverse health consequences due to its androgenic and estrogenic properties. [1-4] Androstenedione has been banned by The National Football League, International Olympic Committee, and the National Collegiate Athletic Association.
Due to the lack of proven benefits and the potential risks, on March 11, 2004, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) suggested that manufactures stop distributing andro supplements. [5] In October, 2004, the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 was approved by the Senate and the House, and signed into law by President George W. Bush. As of January 20, 2005, this law is now enforceable.
PITTSBURGH--General Nutrition Centers (GNC) will begin checking customer ID to verify the shopper is 18 years or older when buying products intended for adult use. Affected GNC products include those containing ephedra, kava, melatonin,androstenedione or synephrine, which all have warning labels regarding underage usage.
Not all steroids are created equal.
JCC Jr. just got caught for using an illegal substance which was a diarretic to help him lose weight... we don't look at Chavez the same was we do as maybe say, Mosley.
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thank goodness reed had that bit saved up for times like this
roy took "ripped fuel" made by twinlabs, commonly found in GNC and walgreens (well, it no longer has andro since bush banned that **** back in 04)
that is nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowhere near as serious as ACTUALLY taking roids/juicing up like toney, mosley and vargas
btw, for those of you that dont know "stanozolol" is the clinical name for the roid informally known as "winstrol"/ "winnie v"Comment
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If steroids didn't help him break the world record in the 100 m (which requires speed last time I checked,) then why was he stripped of his gold medal and world record?Comment
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obviously you've never been on the track
If steroids didn't help him break the world record in the 100 m (which requires speed last time I checked,) then why was he stripped of his gold medal and world record?
running is about strides
i wish you'd do some research before talkin like you know anything
when i started boxing i was still faster than everyone else in the gym, of foot and hand, get on the track and you'll be left on the dust, there's a trick to running, and moving your feet as fast as you can is'nt the answerComment
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