Is David Haye ducking the Klitschkos?

[The Hammer]

Hell will freeze over before Haye fights anyone in the WBA rankings who is a threat to him. Especially Adamek. Haye will fight Klitschko before he gets his ass kicked by Adamek for 1/4 the amount of money.

You can also forget about Haye fighting any of the guys ranked by the WBA who have any type of power, ie Boytsov, Tua, Briggs or Peter.

It's even funnier that Haye has never mentioned Odlanier Solis, who knocked Haye out as an amateur, and is currently rated #5 by the WBA.

Instead Haye is focused on Audley Harrison who isn't even rated top 15 and will require a bribe for him to approved as an opponent.

Audley isn't even ranked by any sanctioning organization. He's getting close to age 40.

So why would Haye choose him over a legit contender like Chagaev or Solis?

Obviously, Haye's yellow.

[Hitman932]

Audley isn't even ranked by any sanctioning organization. He's getting close to age 40.

So why would Haye choose him over a legit contender like Chagaev or Solis?

Obviously, Haye's yellow.

The better question is how can he choose him without getting stripped?

I thought all optional defenses had to be against someone ranked top-15.

[kenso]

The better question is how can he choose him without getting stripped?

I thought all optional defenses had to be against someone ranked top-15.

the sanctioning bodies are so ****ing ****** that one of them will probably rank harrison on petition. i didnt know about the top-15 rule, but its really, really, really sad if haye fights harrison. i hope he fights adamek or arreola, either would seriously annihilate haye.

if there was any truth to boxing politics, hayes sanctioning body (he has what, the WBA belt right?) would force him to fight a klitschko (for talking endless amounts of ****) or strip him, just on principle alone.

but ofc, the sanctioning bodies are pathetically corrupt organizations that prevent the sport from being anywhere near as good as it could be.

[The Hammer]

Is David Haye ducking?

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Are black people better dancers than whites?

Are white people better swimmers than blacks?

Is a Ferrari faster than a Volkswagon Beatle?

Are Ethiopians skinny?

Does the sun always rise in the East?

I agree it's very obvious.

But I see a few of Haye's silliest fangirls voted for options #1 and #2.

[Hitman932]

but ofc, the sanctioning bodies are pathetically corrupt organizations that prevent the sport from being anywhere near as good as it could be.

A big part of the problem with Haye is that he has gotten himself into bed with the WBA, Sauerland, and Don King.

Between himself and those 3 parties there is nobody who cares about anything other than how much money they make.

The WBA has been a running joke for 5-6 years now as they recycle the same fighters over and over again in an attempt to pad their bottom line with rematches, interim champions. Giving Haye a shot at the WBA title was a money grab by the WBA to get a champion who could generate a larger purse.

The WBA absolutely does not want Haye to fight Klitschko because Haye will be knocked out, and then Wlad will likely drop the belt since the idiotic WBA would strip him anyways for refusing to fight Chagaev again in his next fight.

That would leave the WBA with a vacant title and no appealing choices to fill it.


Sauerland, for what it's worth, just doesn't know **** about boxing, nor do they care about it. They're in the sport because they know they can make money off a bunch of suckers who love to pay for mismatches.

Sauerland has recently seen two of their big investments, Kessler and Abraham, get their asses kicked in by stepping up to fight real opponents. The last thing Sauerland wants to do right now is get Haye's ass beaten by making the same mistake.

Don King, well, it's Don King, everyone knows he is in it for the money and he wants to milk David Haye for all he is worth as well. King has nothing going for him, his small piece of David Haye will have to pried out of his cold dead hands before he feeds it to the Klitschkos.


Ultimately part of the reason Haye got into bed with these specific parties was because of the excuses and complications that it would afford him in his efforts to pass himself off as a World Champion meanwhile ducking Wladimir and Vitali.

[SimonTemplar]

Can we just also be clear that not all British fans will herald a Haye win over Audley Harrison as evidence that Haye is the second coming? I am a Brit, I used to be a Haye fan, I wobbled when it appeared that he would not pursue all the belts at Cruiser - for a while he looked like ducking both the WBO and IBF champions while still calling himself the No. 1 at Cruiserweight, having only taken the WBC and WBA belts of an aging Jean-Mark Mormeque (sp!) who has since moved up to heavyweight as he was struggling with the 200lb limit. At least when Haye flattened Maccarinelli to add the WBO belt he could claim to hold three of the major belts, so became the accepted Cruiser No. 1. However, he was, by then, struggling with the weight too much to risk himself against the IBF champ. But we Brits still had some faith, he had done very well and was making all the right noises about his campaign at Heavyweight. But frankly a lot of us lost the faith once he moved up. If you are going to call people out, you have to follow it up. Haye called out the Klitschkos about as hard as any fighter has ever called out another. I am now embarrassed by him. Just like any nationality, some British fighters fight with heart and back up their mouth (at least by effort, if not by results), while others talk the talk but won't, for whatever reason, walk the walk. Haye likes being a celebrity more than he likes being a fighter. I used to be a fan, but my opinion of him at Heavyweight is that he will not take a risk as he would rather hang onto his belt for as long as possible and enjoy the lifestyle that gives him, rather than risk it against a live opponent. I think either Klitschko would take his head off, and he knows it, so he is ducking. That would be one thing - many fighters have made a career defending one version of the title rather than take true risks to pursue true greatness - but calling the champions out, particularly in such arrogant and unpleasant fashion, then ducking them when they say 'okay, come on then!', is just embarrassing. The Klitschkos took the play away from Haye by agreeing to fight him, and dropping the difficult elements of their traditional contracts. That left Haye with two choices: fight, or duck. Sadly, he ducked, and lost a number of fans on both sides of the pond. So please don't tar all us Brits with the same brush - many of us used to support Haye but are now embarrassed by his antics. I would love to see a Klitschko flatten him. I support any fighter who looks to legacy, and Haye that is not. Sorry if this is preachy, just thought I would add my thoughts to even up the debate a little, as the non-Haye Brits have not been that vocal thus far. Thank for listening!

[Hitman932]

Can we just also be clear that not all British fans will herald a Haye win over Audley Harrison as evidence that Haye is the second coming? I am a Brit, I used to be a Haye fan, I wobbled when it appeared that he would not pursue all the belts at Cruiser - for a while he looked like ducking both the WBO and IBF champions while still calling himself the No. 1 at Cruiserweight, having only taken the WBC and WBA belts of an aging Jean-Mark Mormeque (sp!) who has since moved up to heavyweight as he was struggling with the 200lb limit. At least when Haye flattened Maccarinelli to add the WBO belt he could claim to hold three of the major belts, so became the accepted Cruiser No. 1. However, he was, by then, struggling with the weight too much to risk himself against the IBF champ. But we Brits still had some faith, he had done very well and was making all the right noises about his campaign at Heavyweight. But frankly a lot of us lost the faith once he moved up. If you are going to call people out, you have to follow it up. Haye called out the Klitschkos about as hard as any fighter has ever called out another. I am now embarrassed by him. Just like any nationality, some British fighters fight with heart and back up their mouth (at least by effort, if not by results), while others talk the talk but won't, for whatever reason, walk the walk. Haye likes being a celebrity more than he likes being a fighter. I used to be a fan, but my opinion of him at Heavyweight is that he will not take a risk as he would rather hang onto his belt for as long as possible and enjoy the lifestyle that gives him, rather than risk it against a live opponent. I think either Klitschko would take his head off, and he knows it, so he is ducking. That would be one thing - many fighters have made a career defending one version of the title rather than take true risks to pursue true greatness - but calling the champions out, particularly in such arrogant and unpleasant fashion, then ducking them when they say 'okay, come on then!', is just embarrassing. The Klitschkos took the play away from Haye by agreeing to fight him, and dropping the difficult elements of their traditional contracts. That left Haye with two choices: fight, or duck. Sadly, he ducked, and lost a number of fans on both sides of the pond. So please don't tar all us Brits with the same brush - many of us used to support Haye but are now embarrassed by his antics. I would love to see a Klitschko flatten him. I support any fighter who looks to legacy, and Haye that is not. Sorry if this is preachy, just thought I would add my thoughts to even up the debate a little, as the non-Haye Brits have not been that vocal thus far. Thank for listening!

Very good post, and I think most people are starting to realize that even British fans understand that Haye is a joke. It's just hard for them to come around to admitting it because they were suckered into believing Haye and genuinely thought he was going to give them the last laugh over the hated Klitchko brothers. They spent a lot of time running their own mouths right behind Haye and now, understandably, aren't too keen about doing an about face and admitting they were wrong.

One issue I do take with your post is this:

You pointed out that you yourself suspected Haye of ducking the very best at Cruiser yet his hasty exit was justified by his struggles with weight.

Well I think the proof is in the pudding that he really wasn't struggling that badly. He came into the Enzo fight a full 2 pounds under the limit and even went so far as to showcase how easily he made weight by drinking a fruit smoothie or some other sugar+carb loaded drink in the face on Enzo before stepping on the scale.

All indications were not only did Haye easily make weight, but he probably could have made 195.

I think the "making weight" excuse was just convenient to move out of Cruiserweight before being forced into a fight with a real tough customer like Adamek, Cunningham or Wlodarcyk.

He has proven he isn't up for tough test at Heavyweight so I don't think it's a stretch to say he ducked out of the Cruiser Division with unfinished business for the very same reason.

[D-MiZe]

Wlad is avoiding Haye;

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/3035200/Klitschko-snubs-David-Haye-for-Alexander-Povetkin.html

[Chunk..]

Haye fights once a year, then gets his wife pregnant just as an excuse to avoid Wlad, so he can 'take time off'.

Haye's children weren't conceived out of love, but as an excuse for him to avoid the Klitschko's.

[Mushroom]

Haye fights once a year, then gets his wife pregnant just as an excuse to avoid Wlad, so he can 'take time off'.

Haye's children weren't conceived out of love, but as an excuse for him to avoid the Klitschko's.

So they were conceived out of fear? That surely won't do their self esteem much good.