Will a Mayweather Victory be Certain?

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  • damned1974
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    #11
    Originally posted by -Huey-
    You guys are underestimating Pacquiao...
    I look at the big picture....I don't rely on who the "flavour of the month" is,nor do I pick fights based on crossed-fingers or wishes.

    Pacquiao is great at what he does,but Floyd is going to be a very tricky fight for him.If anything,a lot of people here are underestimating Floyd....

    There is a big difference in exciting looking styles and versatile skills....

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    • maguirre
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      #12
      No. A Mayweather victory will never happen. He can't even sign the deal for the fight.

      He's too scared of Pac, let alone a victory.

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        #13
        Originally posted by damned1974
        Size and reach isn't an opinion...and Pacquiao hasn't faced a Floyd.In fact,if anything-Floyd has fought more varied styles than Manny...
        So let me get your perspective-
        Who is a better inside fighter?
        Who is a better outside fighter?
        Who is more versatile?
        Who can fight on the backfoot?
        Who has better defense?
        Who adapts better in situations?

        If I was to use your theory,then I can say "if Shane's power didn't stop Floyd,let alone knock him down-then how is Manny?"
        Who is a better inside fighter? - Floyd
        Who is a better outside fighter? - Floyd
        Who is more versatile? - Floyd
        Who can fight on the backfoot? - Floyd
        Who has better defense? - Floyd
        Who adapts better in situations? - Floyd

        Then Pac knocks him out. All down the drain LOL!

        Because:

        Who's better cutting the ring efficiently?
        Who strings punches faster?
        At what angle are those power shots comin' from?
        Who's got a better tested chin?
        Who's got more heart?
        Who's underrated?
        Who's more unpredicatable?

        I bet those questions will be answered but Pac still loses the paper fight.

        No one really counted on Pacquiao beating his previous opponents up until Pac won the fight.

        I like it that way, no one expecting Pac to win! Always been like that and Pac proved every doubters wrong.
        Last edited by Tamis!; 07-05-2010, 09:34 AM.

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          #14
          Originally posted by damned1974
          Size and reach isn't an opinion...and Pacquiao hasn't faced a Floyd.In fact,if anything-Floyd has fought more varied styles than Manny...
          So let me get your perspective-
          Who is a better inside fighter?
          Who is a better outside fighter?
          Who is more versatile?
          Who can fight on the backfoot?
          Who has better defense?
          Who adapts better in situations?

          If I was to use your theory,then I can say "if Shane's power didn't stop Floyd,let alone knock him down-then how is Manny?"
          all those things you mentioned dont neccassarily mean floyd is a sure winner. Thats not hos boxing works. There are variables that could come to play like pacs unorthodox style, southpaw, combination punching,speed and heart.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Tamis_Siensya
            Who is a better inside fighter? - Floyd
            Who is a better outside fighter? - Floyd
            Who is more versatile? - Floyd
            Who can fight on the backfoot? - Floyd
            Who has better defense? - Floyd
            Who adapts better in situations? - Floyd

            Then Pac knocks him out. All down the drain LOL!

            Because:

            Who's better cutting the ring efficiently?
            Who strings punches faster?
            At what angle are those power shots comin' from?
            Who's got a better tested chin?
            Who's got more heart?
            Who's underrated?
            Who's more unpredicatable?


            I bet those questions will be answered but Pac still loses the paper fight.

            No one really counted on Pacquiao beating his previous opponents up until Pac won the fight.

            I like it that way, no one expecting Pac to win! Always been like that and Pac proved every doubters wrong.
            Actually-I have picked Manny to win all of his recent fights.
            Again-with "your" list in Pac's defense-

            I would say that Floyd is the UNDER-RATED one on here most of the time.
            Floyd is more unpredictable by a mile....Manny has habits and is a PATTERN fighter.He makes zilch adjustments to right hands.

            If you are only counting on a knock-out,then you are only giving him a puncher's chance...

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              #16
              Originally posted by damned1974
              Actually-I have picked Manny to win all of his recent fights.
              Again-with "your" list in Pac's defense-

              I would say that Floyd is the UNDER-RATED one on here most of the time.
              Floyd is more unpredictable by a mile....Manny has habits and is a PATTERN fighter.He makes zilch adjustments to right hands.

              If you are only counting on a knock-out,then you are only giving him a puncher's chance...
              Floyd unpredictable by a mile? Ok. LOL!

              A puncher's chance?But of course! They're boxers!

              That's why I agreed with you with all those points you raised. But the intangibles is what Pacquiao has, those intangibles not one man can predict.

              Oh, I forgot another bit:

              Who is the southpaw?

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                #17
                Originally posted by fcastro1
                all those things you mentioned dont neccassarily mean floyd is a sure winner. Thats not hos boxing works. There are variables that could come to play like pacs unorthodox style, southpaw, combination punching,speed and heart.
                I know what you mean,and in boxing there is never a certainty...every fighter indeed has a "puncher's chance".

                Southpaws presented SOME problems to Floyd,yes...but they never beat him.Judah got beat from round 4 on, Corley got his ass kicked all over the place and knocked down multiple times and Mitchell got stopped.If that is the examples you mean when talking southpaws,then it is bleak...

                Floyd has fought fighters with speed, fighters with power, primed, undefeated and with heart...it has never won them the fight.

                We have seen Manny's patterns, habits and vulnerabilities.The problem is-he has not improved these weaknesses.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by damned1974
                  I know what you mean,and inboxing there is never a certainty...every fighter indeed has a "puncher's chance". Southpaws presented SOME problems to Floyd,yes...but they never beat him.Judah got beat from round 4 on, Corley got his ass kicked all over the place and knocked down multiple times and Mitchell got stopped.If that is the examples you mean when talking southpaws,then it is bleak... Floyd has fought fighters with speed, fighters with power, primed, undefeated and with heart...it has never won them the fight. We have seen Manny's patterns, habits and vulnerabilities.The problem is-he has not improved these weaknesses.
                  But floyd has never fought a fighter that combines all of those assets. Sure judah was southpaw with speed but he lacked power heart and stamina.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Tamis_Siensya
                    Floyd unpredictable by a mile? Ok. LOL!

                    A puncher's chance?But of course! They're boxers!

                    That's why I agreed with you with all those points you raised. But the intangibles is what Pacquiao has, those intangibles not one man can predict.

                    Oh, I forgot another bit:

                    Who is the southpaw?
                    Who lost to a southpaw? I think too much emphasis is placed on being a southpaw....it may not work in his favour since he still eats right hands.

                    Yes,Floyd is more unpredictable than Manny.I don't understand how you think otherwise,but I respect that.
                    I can only say that a pattern fighter (Manny) is usually more predictable than someone who makes adjustments....

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by damned1974
                      I know what you mean,and in boxing there is never a certainty...every fighter indeed has a "puncher's chance".

                      Southpaws presented SOME problems to Floyd,yes...but they never beat him.Judah got beat from round 4 on, Corley got his ass kicked all over the place and knocked down multiple times and Mitchell got stopped.If that is the examples you mean when talking southpaws,then it is bleak...

                      Floyd has fought fighters with speed, fighters with power, primed, undefeated and with heart...it has never won them the fight.

                      We have seen Manny's patterns, habits and vulnerabilities.The problem is-he has not improved these weaknesses.
                      I agree with that!

                      But if it ain't broke don't fix it. And if it works, why change it?

                      The one thing outta Pac's achilles heel is his poor mid-section strength, and they improved on it. Stick therapy to strengthen his lower body.

                      I Just don't understand what needs to be fixed with Pac AT THIS POINT of his career where whatever worked for him can make or break him, but truly doesn't matter anymore because win or lose history will be kind to Pacquiao, and Floyd for that matter.

                      I mean what more will Manny improve? Does he have tons of fights left?

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