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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – They Don’t Need to Be Great to Be Good

    by David P. Greisman - I stood in a Massachusetts concert hall. So did 1,129 others, rising from their seats in response to the action in the ring.

    A regular at New England boxing shows might have recognized three of the 12 names on the card. Someone who follows boxing closely might have heard of just one, the headliner, Edwin Rodriguez, an undefeated super-middleweight prospect out of Worcester, who was fighting that night in his adopted hometown. A casual boxing fan not from the area wouldn’t have known of any of the fighters.

    It didn’t matter.

    They roared as Sonya Lamonakis, a female heavyweight making her pro debut, threw hard hooks at Kasondra Hardnette, an Ohio resident who had lost both of her two fights. They clapped at the end of a give-and-take round between Isiah Thomas, a light heavyweight from Michigan, and his opponent, Larry Pryor of Texas. And they jumped to their feet when Ryan Kielczewski, a 130-pound prospect from an hour away in Quincy, Mass., scored a knockdown against a Miami fighter named Juan Nazario.

    Boxing fans are an assortment of critics, skeptics and pessimists, conditioned to evaluate speed, power, skills and smarts, to evaluate who could develop into a contender and who could someday be champion. They are logical questions to consider. The dream for fighters, after all, is to be the best. [Click Here To Read More]
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    Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
    by David P. Greisman - I stood in a Massachusetts concert hall. So did 1,129 others, rising from their seats in response to the action in the ring.

    A regular at New England boxing shows might have recognized three of the 12 names on the card. Someone who follows boxing closely might have heard of just one, the headliner, Edwin Rodriguez, an undefeated super-middleweight prospect out of Worcester, who was fighting that night in his adopted hometown. A casual boxing fan not from the area wouldn’t have known of any of the fighters.

    It didn’t matter.

    They roared as Sonya Lamonakis, a female heavyweight making her pro debut, threw hard hooks at Kasondra Hardnette, an Ohio resident who had lost both of her two fights. They clapped at the end of a give-and-take round between Isiah Thomas, a light heavyweight from Michigan, and his opponent, Larry Pryor of Texas. And they jumped to their feet when Ryan Kielczewski, a 130-pound prospect from an hour away in Quincy, Mass., scored a knockdown against a Miami fighter named Juan Nazario.

    Boxing fans are an assortment of critics, skeptics and pessimists, conditioned to evaluate speed, power, skills and smarts, to evaluate who could develop into a contender and who could someday be champion. They are logical questions to consider. The dream for fighters, after all, is to be the best. [Click Here To Read More]




    Loved it as always Mr David. One thing you forgot were some of the greatest quotes ever, supposedly by Vic Darchinyan, who struggles to even speak English at all quoting shakespeare and making barely veiled references to various other literature that no boxer would know. Hilarious.

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    • βetamax
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      I'm glad you brought up the fake quotes that publicists put out, especially considering those articles that contain these quotes are often posted here. Sometimes it just seems obvious when certain quotes just seem so out of character for a fighter, trainer, etc.

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      • el rey
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        #4
        Good read, I liked the stats on the PPV undercards from TR and HBO.

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        • MARKBNLV
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          That was quality journalism,this guy is one hell of a writer and put things in there proper perspective,i have often wondered myself why they never show undercard fights after quick stoppages,it seems to me that the casual fan would be introduced to a fighter they would not have ever seen otherwise.I wish i could give him some green k the best read i have had on here in awhile.

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          • gingeralbino
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            #6
            Eamon Magee arrested again, bad news for Breens stable of good domestic fighters.

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            • Mr. David
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              Benny,

              I was going to include my all-time favorite out-there Darchinyan reference, which included a quote about Secretariat, but it was going to require too much background explaining.

              Tim Starks at The Queensberry Rules had something last year taking a look at some of the great Darchinyan pseudo-quotes just from the time leading up to his fight with Jorge Arce:

              At least 50% of the awesomeness of this Saturday's bout pitting Vic Darchinyan against Jorge Arce has been the pre-fight trash talk. And while it's not that Arce hasn't had plenty interesting to say -- "When I am cut, I am content. My blood pleases me" -- Darchinyan has spit out so many nasty things…

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              • Lorily
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                As always, it's a pleasure to read your articles David.

                What has me bothered in todays boxing, although a little off subject, is what I think of as abuse of PPV. When they are making fights like Hopkins/Jones II, Chavez/Duddy etc. etc. in to PPV fights that are essentially either pay for it or never see it type fights, it forces the common person to choose between coming up out of their pocket for PPV prices or unless you're fortunate enough to catch a free stream on line (which most casual fans wouldn't know how to do), contend to not seeing it at all. It's beginning to feel a bit like boxing blackmail, and although I know boxing is a business, the average Joe/Joesephine doesn't care how much the fighters are making and what their Diva desires are - when all the fans want is just to see fights... and my point is that it is severely hurting the chances of bringing in new fans, and driving away some of the more loyal fans. We continue to read how the fights that the fans really want to see aren't going to happen because fighter A won't give fighter B this or that and vise versa. Believe me I get the concept of PPV, but it should be reserved for actual deserving fights, like rematches and rubber matches... ones that have built up some drama as it did back in the days before ODLH and FMJ.
                It's very sad that the greed of the sport may, in fact, some day make it go broke. When all the back and forth bickering of who should get more money prevents a fight from happening, in the end they both end up making 0 dollars and 0 cents and the fans miss out on a fight they really wanted to see. That's bad business.

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                • MODUS
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                  Very true lorily but boxing fans do not have the luxury of being given anything for free. For example, just to see a quality fight you need to have hbo or showtime. $60 more is a leak in the bucket, and i'm too jaded with the sports production to expect anything for nothing. Boxing is not as good to its fans as the fans are to boxing. Although i agree with you and feel that ppv is now a form of fiscal abuse there is no use complaining. Promoters and networks wont listen.

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                  • Lorily
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                    Originally posted by MODUS
                    Very true lorily but boxing fans do not have the luxury of being given anything for free. For example, just to see a quality fight you need to have hbo or showtime. $60 more is a leak in the bucket, and i'm too jaded with the sports production to expect anything for nothing. Boxing is not as good to its fans as the fans are to boxing. Although i agree with you and feel that ppv is now a form of fiscal abuse there is no use complaining. Promoters and networks wont listen.
                    You have good points, but I don't expect anything for free. I pay for both HBO and Showtime and I soak up anything I can from ESPN2 and ESPN Classics, and I'm always scanning the sports channels for descent boxing matches. I don't mind paying for a worthy PPV here and there, but it feels like at this rate in order to see more than the tid bits we get thrown at us every once in a while, we're being forced to either pay $30-$60 PER FIGHT for PPVs that either aren't neccesarily worthy (Hopkins/Jones II) or fights that are worth seeing but not worth paying PPV prices for. If we are forced to pay that kind of $$ for fights that aren't worthy of PPV then it can add up to some serious money. It's ridiculous and it borders on extortion in my eyes. And like you, even the most loyal fans will become jaded as well.
                    "Promoters and networks wont listen." Do you think they will start to listen if it starts costing them more to advertise and sell a fight then it makes in its profits for fights people don't want to pay PPV prices for? If the hardcore fans stop buying these fights, do you think they will listen then? Or do you think that the hardcore fans will continue to buy them because they are starving to see fights in general? That to me is borderline extortion.

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