Who Belives Rjj Weight Lost Effected Him!!

[psychopath]

Why did he drop back down? Oh yeah that's right Vitali was his mandatory.

So what are you trying to imply? That RJJ is afraid of Vitali? Well maybe there's some truth in that . . . but we will be better off if we will stick to the most logical reasons . . . why did he drop back down? . . . Well because he is not a legitimate heavy weight. He only moved up to prove that he can also be a force to be reckoned with in that weight division . . . in a way of seeking out his place in the history of the sports, but he doesn't have the intention of clearing out the division and collect all the belts and the titles so that he can claim to be the undisputed heavy weight Champ. Maybe he knows very well that he has physical limitations just like anybody and his physical built is not made for him to be a heavyweight division. Isn't that more realistic and acceptable?

[Neuraxis]

So what are you trying to imply? That RJJ is afraid of Vitali? Well maybe there's some truth in that . . . but we will be better off if we will stick to the most logical reasons . . . why did he drop back down? . . . Well because he is not a legitimate heavy weight. He only moved up to prove that he can also be a force to be reckoned with in that weight division . . . in a way of seeking out his place in the history of the sports, but he doesn't have the intention of clearing out the division and collect all the belts and the titles so that he can claim to be the undisputed heavy weight Champ. Maybe he knows very well that he has physical limitations just like anybody and his physical built is not made for him to be a heavyweight division. Isn't that more realistic and acceptable?

Why would he go for by far the worst of the 4 current heavyweight champions? No one took Ruiz seriously then and no one takes him seriously now. If you are going to be nit picky, no one = very few people.

[psychopath]

Why would he go for by far the worst of the 4 current heavyweight champions? No one took Ruiz seriously then and no one takes him seriously now. If you are going to be nit picky, no one = very few people.

Bro the answer is already there, here . . . .

in a way of seeking out his place in the history of the sports

And he was succesful in doing that . . . when future generations look at his accomplishments . . . it will appear that he once got hold of a Heavyweight Belt irregardless from whom he got that. Ruiz is not being taken seriously? Well that's just your point of view but the fact that Ruiz is holding a legitimate belt he is no CLOWN or JOKER either. He may not be the best of all the four reigning champions at that time but still he is a CHAMP.

[Neuraxis]

Bro the answer is already there, here . . . .

And he was succesful in doing that . . . when future generations look at his accomplishments . . . it will appear that he once got hold of a Heavyweight Belt irregardless from whom he got that. Ruiz is not being taken seriously? Well that's just your point of view but the fact that Ruiz is holding a legitimate belt he is no CLOWN or JOKER either.

Well when he is not a boxer and he decides to box a very quick opponent instead of clinching and hitting like he usually does, you have the recipe for a failed fight. Who takes Ruiz seriously? He has beaten a shot Holyfield who he also had a draw with, an overrated Oquendo, a shot Rahman, a low blowing Johnson in a fight that Johnson would have won had he not selfdestructed, and a shot Tucker. While he has lost to a shot Holyfield, a natural middleweight RJJ, to Tua in less than 20 seconds, to a B level Dannel Nicholson, and to a no name Sergei Kobozev. Its also kind of hard to not have a belt when you are given a title shot whenever you lose it.

[psychopath]

Well when he is not a boxer and he decides to box a very quick opponent instead of clinching and hitting like he usually does, you have the recipe for a failed fight. Who takes Ruiz seriously? He has beaten a shot Holyfield who he also had a draw with, an overrated Oquendo, a shot Rahman, a low blowing Johnson in a fight that Johnson would have won had he not selfdestructed, and a shot Tucker. While he has lost to a shot Holyfield, a natural middleweight RJJ, to Tua in less than 20 seconds, to a B level Dannel Nicholson, and to a no name Sergei Kobozev. Its also kind of hard to not have a belt when you are given a title shot whenever you lose it.

Ok no dispute about how animated and inconsistent Ruiz is, but my point is . . . irregardless how many times Ruis got beaten up so so badly, how many times the guy get kayoed and how many times he got drawed , the guy still ended up with a legitimate heavy weight belt . . . so this guy is a survivor and he’s got the balls to fight legitimate opponents irregardless who ever it maybe . . .thus he is not a JOKER. So let’s give him props at least for having the balls. We don’t have to trive on Ruiz’s weaknesses to point out that RJJ doesn’t deserve any respect on what he has accomplished.

As I said RJJ went up into that weight class seeking to secure his place in the history of the sports and he has already accomplished that, reason why he went back down in weight. A legit middle weight holding a Heavyweight title is already a milestone, as in Sugar Ray Leonard who is a welterweight fighting and beating a light heavy weight. And that would remain on the records.

But unfortunately that practice of going up and down on weight has now taken it's toll in RJJs body . . . and that's what this thread is all about.

[FistFest]

Ok no dispute about how animated and inconsistent Ruiz is, but my point is . . . irregardless how many times Ruis got beaten up so so badly, how many times the guy get kayoed and how many times he got drawed , the guy still ended up with a legitimate heavy weight belt . . . so this guy is a survivor and he’s got the balls to fight legitimate opponents irregardless who ever it maybe . . .thus he is not a JOKER. So let’s give him props at least for having the balls. We don’t have to trive on Ruiz’s weaknesses to point out that RJJ doesn’t deserve any respect on what he has accomplished.

As I said RJJ went up into that weight class seeking to secure his place in the history of the sports and he has already accomplished that, reason why he went back down in weight. A legit middle weight holding a Heavyweight title is already a milestone, as in Sugar Ray Leonard who is a welterweight fighting and beating a light heavy weight. And that would remain on the records.

But unfortunately that practice of going up and down on weight has now taken it's toll in RJJs body . . . and that's what this thread is all about.

Add to this the thought that RJJ is being realistic. He knows that he can only compete in the heavyweights in a limited capacity and it makes sense. He can't always put his self under constant threat from guys who are naturally bigger and stronger than him. To somehow extend the winning streak, leagacy, (or the illusion of being unbeatable and dominant) he had to go down in weight to increase his chances of sustaining his run and cementing a good rep in his career. Though he failed in his last two battles, the fact is he once poked at the heavyweight division, WON a heavyweight bout and went back to a division he thought he can be cumfy on. He can still claim that he had sucesses in different weight classes.

[Neuraxis]

Ok no dispute about how animated and inconsistent Ruiz is, but my point is . . . irregardless how many times Ruis got beaten up so so badly, how many times the guy get kayoed and how many times he got drawed , the guy still ended up with a legitimate heavy weight belt . . . so this guy is a survivor and he’s got the balls to fight legitimate opponents irregardless who ever it maybe . . .thus he is not a JOKER. So let’s give him props at least for having the balls. We don’t have to trive on Ruiz’s weaknesses to point out that RJJ doesn’t deserve any respect on what he has accomplished.

As I said RJJ went up into that weight class seeking to secure his place in the history of the sports and he has already accomplished that, reason why he went back down in weight. A legit middle weight holding a Heavyweight title is already a milestone, as in Sugar Ray Leonard who is a welterweight fighting and beating a light heavy weight. And that would remain on the records.

But unfortunately that practice of going up and down on weight has now taken it's toll in RJJs body . . . and that's what this thread is all about.

How are Don King's hand picked opponents legitimate?

[psychopath]

How are Don King's hand picked opponents legitimate?

Hey, I don't want to argue on that, I understand your point and your stand, believe me I feel the same when it comes to ****i'N Don king and dIRTY Arum manipulating their fighters career to squeze MONEY out of it but that's how it goes in this trade at present. As I was saying irregardless how they got their belts those are legitimate belts and titles.

That's what separates a Real CHAMP from a PAPER CHAMP but irregardless people still call them CHAMP, right?

[Neuraxis]

Hey, I don't want to argue on that, I understand your point and your stand, believe me I feel the same when it comes to ****i'N Don king and dIRTY Arum manipulating their fighters career to squeze MONEY out of it but that's how it goes in this trade at present. As I was saying irregardless how they got their belts those are legitimate belts and titles.

That's what separates a Real CHAMP from a PAPER CHAMP but irregardless people still call them CHAMP, right?

Well at least we agree on this matter.

[tracylee]

I am shocked Tracylee you said you would be a good girl

Trust me; that WAS me being good
Instead of going on and on about it, I summed it up in one word. That is nice