Comments Thread For: Margarito's Team: We Are Next in Line For Manny Pacquiao

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No one is discrediting pac. HE IS DOING IT TO HIMSELF! Plain and simple. Thats what I don't get. It aint floyds fault that manny fli flopped, or bob and roach changed, or koncz is a loud mouth. Why don't pac fans spew their venom at them instead of bashing floyd fans!

so is it also fine with you that pac fans will bash floyd because of what his father and uncle said? or they bash floyd for proclaiming he's the best ever, that he only cares about money...cheque cashing business blah blah blah. can i expect you not to raise a finger against pac fans for doing that?

[The Big Dunn]

so is it also fine with you that pac fans will bash floyd because of what his father and uncle said? or they bash floyd for proclaiming he's the best ever, that he only cares about money...cheque cashing business blah blah blah. can i expect you not to raise a finger against pac fans for doing that?

I get your point but there is a difference. Floyd claims hes trying to clean up the sport. No one should believe that BS. His father and uncle call pac a cheater so what. The check cashing business. Its all to hype a fight. If floyd got on tv and said I'm a single father of four buy my fights he wouldn't sell.

Manny and his camp make excuses. Floyd and his camp make ridiculous statements. The one thing I give floyd credit for is when merchant asked him about the fight he held firm, no test no fight. Floyd may act like a clown on 24/7 but he didn't dodge merchant's question nor back off his stance. I can respect that. Can't you?

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I get your point but there is a difference. Floyd claims hes trying to clean up the sport. No one should believe that BS. His father and uncle call pac a cheater so what. The check cashing business. Its all to hype a fight. If floyd got on tv and said I'm a single father of four buy my fights he wouldn't sell.

Manny and his camp make excuses. Floyd and his camp make ridiculous statements. The one thing I give floyd credit for is when merchant asked him about the fight he held firm, no test no fight. Floyd may act like a clown on 24/7 but he didn't dodge merchant's question nor back off his stance. I can respect that. Can't you?

i'm all in favor of better testing for boxing but you have to realize that better testing is not synonymous with floyd. better testing is for the whole sport, floyd's testing is just for his own interest. pac can reject floyd's demand and can still support better testing. as far as i'm concerned the only way to implement better testing is through the state commission. you can change testing protocols but you can't change the authority. floyd went the opposite way, he brought an outsider in tygart whose only role so far is to insult nsac and its testing. personally, i am not in favor of how pac handled this testing issue. he didn't handle it right and he allowed floyd to one-up on him.
and by the way accusing a person is not just a ridiculous statement. it's a blatant act of disrespect. it's way more unacceptable than making excuses. if you make up excuses the consequences is on you. if you accuse someone you are trying to destroy him.

[The Big Dunn]

i'm all in favor of better testing for boxing but you have to realize that better testing is not synonymous with floyd. better testing is for the whole sport, floyd's testing is just for his own interest. pac can reject floyd's demand and can still support better testing. as far as i'm concerned the only way to implement better testing is through the state commission. you can change testing protocols but you can't change the authority. floyd went the opposite way, he brought an outsider in tygart whose only role so far is to insult nsac and its testing. personally, i am not in favor of how pac handled this testing issue. he didn't handle it right and he allowed floyd to one-up on him.
and by the way accusing a person is not just a ridiculous statement. it's a blatant act of disrespect. it's way more unacceptable than making excuses. if you make up excuses the consequences is on you. if you accuse someone you are trying to destroy him.

Obviously floyd is using it for his advantage. Manny hasn't let floyd one up him. He has made himself look guilty. manny kept creating a window of no testing making it look like he was hiding something. Honestly, manny's actions gave floyd sr.'s accusations more validity.

Why are they trying to destroy manny? It's possible that floyd sr. is like jose conseco, an insider who, despite their individual problems, is telling the truth about this issue? Not likely but possible.

Also, didn't bob arum do essentially he same thing when he said floyd was a ducker etc? Manny is not above question or criticism. You don't think he is do you?

[brick wall]

Obviously floyd is using it for his advantage. Manny hasn't let floyd one up him. He has made himself look guilty. manny kept creating a window of no testing making it look like he was hiding something. Honestly, manny's actions gave floyd sr.'s accusations more validity.

Why are they trying to destroy manny? It's possible that floyd sr. is like jose conseco, an insider who, despite their individual problems, is telling the truth about this issue? Not likely but possible.

Also, didn't bob arum do essentially he same thing when he said floyd was a ducker etc? Manny is not above question or criticism. You don't think he is do you?

floyd's family already made pac guilty even before pac rejected ost. pac's actions only made it worse for him...that's what i'm talking when is said he let floyd one-up on him. if pac only made the right decision floyd's sefish demand would not prosper. and when i say right decision i don't mean pac needs to accept floyd's demand. and please stop with the speculations about what floyd sr know. that guy can't keep a secret, if he has some knowledge or some proof against pac he would've brought it out in the open a long time ago. and i never said pac should not be criticized because in fact he made the wrong decision regarding the issue...i already said that a lot of times. but the things is...if you will criticize pac while depending floyd's selfish motives what difference does it make?

[The Big Dunn]

Im not defending floyd's motives. I'm simply saying manny got from floyd sr. what floyd got from bob arum. The difference is manny keeps changing reasons why floyd sticks to his. Look how you describe what floyd sr, did. "Trying to destroy manny". "selfish demands". I mean you act as if manny can't or shouldn't be questioned. So what if they "disrespected" him. No one is required to hold manny in such high standards.

Accusations don't make you guilty. Almost everyone in the media took manny's side until he started flip floppin. The interview he gave Brian Kenny on ESPN was embarassing!

Even if you like manny he looks like a liar. This isn't about floyd sr. Its about manny and his camp and how they act and behave.

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Im not defending floyd's motives. I'm simply saying manny got from floyd sr. what floyd got from bob arum.

lol are you serious? bob is not pac's father. bob used to be floyd's promoter and they they didn't part ways as friends. they already have animosity between them even before pac came in the picture. bob said floyd is afraid to fight pac whereas floyd sr accused pac of something illegal...how could you even compare that?

The difference is manny keeps changing reasons why floyd sticks to his. Look how you describe what floyd sr, did. "Trying to destroy manny". "selfish demands". I mean you act as if manny can't or shouldn't be questioned. So what if they "disrespected" him. No one is required to hold manny in such high standards.

when you are being accused of something illegal what do you think would be the effect to you especially if the accusation is done in media? am i wrong to say that floyd sr is trying to destroy pac's rep? you also want me to believe that floyd really want to clean boxing and his demand is not just for selfish interest? i thought you already agreed that it's self motivated....make up your mind. and how am i acting like manny should not be questioned? i already said pac made a wrong decision and you're free to criticize him...lol what do you want me to do? and i never said you should hold pac in high regards...you or they can disrespect him all you want but that doesn't mean i can not give my opinion about it. you got what i'm saying?

Accusations don't make you guilty. Almost everyone in the media took manny's side until he started flip floppin. The interview he gave Brian Kenny on ESPN was embarassing!

Even if you like manny he looks like a liar. This isn't about floyd sr. Its about manny and his camp and how they act and behave.

when you accused somebody, in your mind he is already guilty you got that? and what do you mean that this is all about pac and his camp? you want this discussion to just focus on pac's negativities is that what are you trying to say? i'm fine with you criticizing pac but it seems like you're getting hurt if i critcize floyd...i thought you're a reasonable floyd fan.

[The Big Dunn]

lol are you serious? bob is not pac's father. bob used to be floyd's promoter and they they didn't part ways as friends. they already have animosity between them even before pac came in the picture. bob said floyd is afraid to fight pac whereas floyd sr accused pac of something illegal...how could you even compare that?



when you are being accused of something illegal what do you think would be the effect to you especially if the accusation is done in media? am i wrong to say that floyd sr is trying to destroy pac's rep? you also want me to believe that floyd really want to clean boxing and his demand is not just for selfish interest? i thought you already agreed that it's self motivated....make up your mind. and how am i acting like manny should not be questioned? i already said pac made a wrong decision and you're free to criticize him...lol what do you want me to do? and i never said you should hold pac in high regards...you or they can disrespect him all you want but that doesn't mean i can not give my opinion about it. you got what i'm saying?



when you accused somebody, in your mind he is already guilty you got that? and what do you mean that this is all about pac and his camp? you want this discussion to just focus on pac's negativities is that what are you trying to say? i'm fine with you criticizing pac but it seems like you're getting hurt if i critcize floyd...i thought you're a reasonable floyd fan.

If you split my paragraph you lose the point. Bob accusing floyd of being a ducker etc. to me is the same as floyd sr. accussing pac of PED use. If floyd sr. was trying to destroy manny then bob was doing the same thing to floyd jr. IMO.

Manny has changed his reasons for not taking tests. floyd has not changed his reasons for asking for tests. I know floyds reason is BS. But he is consistent.

The words you choose to describe what happened are interesting. Disrespect destroy. Thats why I think sometimes you think manny is above questioning.

Yes my initial question was about how pac fans view manny's actions. Manny waffles, gives all kinds of excuses, and still pac fans defend those actions. Of course you can criticize floyd. But what does criticism of floyd have to do with my initial question?

[brick wall]

If you split my paragraph you lose the point. Bob accusing floyd of being a ducker etc. to me is the same as floyd sr. accussing pac of PED use. If floyd sr. was trying to destroy manny then bob was doing the same thing to floyd jr. IMO.

lol talk about being reasonable...anyway that's your opinion so i'll leave you with that.

Manny has changed his reasons for not taking tests. floyd has not changed his reasons for asking for tests. I know floyds reason is BS. But he is consistent.

i never questioned floyd for his consistent demand...i only questioned his motives. and yes for the nth time i will say this...pac made the wrong decision. i don't know why are you still bringing this up.

The words you choose to describe what happened are interesting. Disrespect destroy. Thats why I think sometimes you think manny is above questioning.

Yes my initial question was about how pac fans view manny's actions. Manny waffles, gives all kinds of excuses, and still pac fans defend those actions. Of course you can criticize floyd. But what does criticism of floyd have to do with my initial question?

what the hell is wrong with you? why are you so sensitive with my choice of words? i'm not even paying attention to your words...you can use whatever words you want for all i care. your initial question i already answered it what else do you want? why do you keep on repeating yourself? bring up something new will ya...before this discussion becomes boring. actually it already is...unfortunately.

[The Big Dunn]

The first two boxes are just points. I have no idea why you responded to them. The 1st paragraph in the 3rd box is a response to your question. I have no idea why you responded. I couldn't understand why you would have to criticize floyd as part of an answer to my initial question.

You at least finally answered the initial post most pac fans wont do that. As long as pac fans hold pac to the same standard they hold floyd I have no problem.