Floyd Mayweather Sr: “Pacquiao didn’t want to fight Shane Mosley and my son ****ing.

[QADASHBANYAH1]

Yes, Floyd did fight Mosley at 147. But I think a 145 catchweight with Cotto is far more impressive than beating a 38 year old Mosley. People only remember that Mosley beat Margarito without plaster... but the truth is that Mosley was:

1. 4 fights off from the Cotto fight which he lost.
2. Barely beat Vargas twice, whom DLH and Tito demolished YEARS earlier.
3. He barely got by Mayorga who Tito and DLH killed even faster than Vargas.
4. Shane was old as dirt and really, its the same situation with Pac vs. DLH.

No one really thought Mosley was "old" but people knew he wasn't at his prime. Same deal with DLH, they didn't think he was "old" but they knew he wasn't at his prime. The difference? Everyone expected Mayweather to win as Mosley gets schooled by boxers and two everyone knew Floyd was just better. Pac didn't have a chance against DLH in many people's eyes and he beat that guy into the ground. This however is going to look like I hate Floyd and all this other garbage. If you read you see I don't give the Pac vs DLH much credit either. DLH never won a big fight, he was old as dirt that fight and he trained horribly. Floyd beating DLH >>>> Manny beating DLH hands down, but the comparison still stands.

What I'm saying is don't come in here acting like Floyd has some monstrous resume and that Manny's isn't **** because he beat two people after Mayweather. People only remember the new Manny, they forget he beat 3 Mexican legends who OWNED the lower weight classes till Manny came around. Then he come up, beat up on Mayweathers leftovers better than Floyd did and then fought the guy that Floyd avoided by retiring. What was Floyd's big comeback... beating up on Manny's leftovers in JMM who BTW had to move up 2 weight classes, and was at a catchweight. We could also just compare competition and you'll see that when Mayweather was fighting Gatti, Judah, and Baldomir Manny was beating Morales, Barrera and JMM. Essentially while Manny was beating certified HoF fighters the best Floyd could do was beat up a punching bag, a guy who fights for 4 rounds and the guy who beat up the 4 round fighter. Don't bring up resume's please, Floyd has a good one but its not near Manny's level.

You talking about manny beating hall of famers, yet you neglect to mention that he lost ERIK MORALES, DOMINATED EVEN. And you act as if he beat these people in their prime?
Was not erik morales just coming off a loss to zahir raheem, being shut out? (morales only won 1-2 rounds if memory serves me correct)

Was not cotto coming off a huge loss in MARGARITO? AND COTTO WON A BELT FROM Micheal Jennings whom I bet you couldnt even pick out of a police line up.

Was not erik morales over (x3pounds) in the ZAHIR RAHEEM FIGHT? Was not manny at that fight watching? Why didnt he fight the winner zahir raheem? He fights for pride and honor? why did it take so long to rematch MORALES?

Morales being overweight stated he couldnt make the weight anymore. Why would the warrior want to fight a man in his weakest condition? Why put 10,000,000 dollar weight penalties on fighters when pac has come in overweight more than any fighter has has put these stipulations on?

Can you honestly say that beating cotto whom most peope say was cheated against by the mason known as margarito was a good opponent? Why is manny trying to start fighting him again? Could it be that he wants another fabled weight class championship? would you honor and be a clown saying manny has done the impossisble, impossible?

Dont give me that ****. Even today most boxing experts say MARQUEZ BEAT HIM ala bert sugar and a host of others.

keep it real, dont fake son.

YOU START OF BEING UNBIASED, AND THEN YOU END UP BEING BIASED AS HELL.

THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK, BUT YOU GOTTA AT LEAST COME OFF AS MORE OBJECTIVE.

[MindBat]

BOTTOM LINE:

PACQUIAO AND FREEDIE DON'T WANT NONE!!!!

If they don't make the fight happen, they're just leaving easy money on the table.

Easy money.

It's very hard to believe $30,000,000+ is sittin' in a metal suitcase somewhere and nobody wants to claim it.

[Spacey1991]

.....................destroyed him!"


On Manny Pacquiao being named ‘Fighter of the Decade’ by the BWAA:
“That’s bull****. It ain’t nothing but bull****, that’s all it is. Like I said, that’s why boxing is going bad because of **** like that. Everybody knows this man isn’t ****ing boxer of the decade. He got his ass whopped by two fighters that nobody even knows the fighters that whopped his ass. Nobody even knows who whopped it. The couple of guys who whopped it, nobody even knows who the hell they are. How the hell can he be ‘Fighter of the Decade’? My son’s been fighting top class fighters and beat all their asses. He beat every one of them, and he got two or three losses on his record and he’s ‘Fighter of the Decade? How the hell can that be? It’s impossible. Whoever said that, they got to be dumb, ******, and crazy. I don’t give a damn what writer, reporter, or whoever it may be—they’re dumb, ******, and crazy as far as I’m concerned..”

On why he thinks Pacquiao was named ‘Fighter of the Decade’:
“It ain’t nothing but bull****. Like I’m telling you, it ain’t nothing. It’s just some stuff they put in. Whoever they want to get in, that’s who they put in. They figure they are gonna make him big. One thing about it, they can’t downplay my son because my son’s the biggest fighter in boxing today. It ain’t even Pacquiao, so they can forget about it. How can it not be my son when my son beats all the top fighters and plus, he was ready to fight Pacquiao and Pacquiao evidently don’t want to fight him because he ain’t taking no tests. Now that’s the problem right there.”

On whether he thinks his son has to fight Pacquiao just to silence his critics:
“He ain’t got nothing to prove! What does he got to prove? He whopped somebody Pacquiao didn’t want to fight. Pacquiao didn’t want to fight Shane Mosley and my son ****ing destroyed him! There really ain’t even nothing to talk about because my son has shut them all down and shut all their mouths, and their mouths should be shut because everything they said he can’t do he went and did. So that’s the ‘Fighter of the Decade’ right there.”

On rumors that a fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather will happen:
“It ain’t nothing but rumors. It ain’t nothing but rumors. Pacquiao don’t want to fight him. I know he don’t want to fight him. How’s he going to beat him? With his coach?”


On the Olympic style drug testing in a fight between his son and Pacquiao:
“ With Shane Mosley, Shane Mosley came clean. He did everything he was supposed to do just like my son asked. He did everything he was supposed to do, my son did everything he was supposed to do. He beat the **** out of Shane. That’s all we’re asking Pacquiao to do—come clean, and then we can do it. Come clean. Whatever it’s about, just come clean whatever it is. As long as you come clean, guess what? Everybody knows what’s going to happen”

On whether a fourteen day cutoff on the random Olympic style drug testing would be good enough:
“No, that ain’t good enough. No. It should be done random. When it’s done random, whenever they want to test Floyd they can test him; whenever they want to test Pacquiao, they can test him. Anybody can put something in their body and it’s going to work way before fourteen days. So that ain’t nothing but a bunch of garbage. What they’re doing, I know what happens—the whole thing is he really puts the stuff in him and turns into an animal and maybe pull something off with little Floyd where everybody goes, ‘Whoa! Pacquiao! Pacquiao!’ No, no, no, no. I wouldn’t even go for that, not at all. My son would be a fool if he does, and I don’t think he’s going to go for it, either, and he shouldn’t go for it.”

On claims made by his son that he might take another one or two years off from the sport:
“Oh hell no. It’s just talk, that’s all it is. No, that right there is not going to work right there and he knows that.”

On the claim he made last July that Shane Mosley posed the biggest threat to his son at that time:
“Like I told you, I didn’t change my mind. That was the biggest one I was telling you about then that I thought. The only thing he proposed is he hit my son in the second round. That’s the only thing he proposed and after that it was all downhill for him. Like I said before, then at that time, that was back awhile. That was before we knew about Pacquiao. That was before Pacquiao was coming up big like this. It was before Pacquiao came up beating up all these big guys in bigger weight classes—way bigger weight classes then him. That’s before Pacquiao started coming up and doing that—how did a guy do that, man? To beat all these big guys when other guys in the same division can’t beat them but little Pacquiao comes up there and beats them, and stops them and makes them quit, and makes them retreat, and give up, and make them say ‘No mas’, and all that. I don’t know how that is. How is that? How is that done?”


On who he believes poses the toughest challenge for his son right now:
“I can’t even tell you man, to be honest because my thing is, I really think to be honest that my son is the best fighter out there today. I don’t even see any threats no more.”


On why the fight between Pacquiao and his son could not happen the first time they entered negotiations:
“It didn’t not happen because of my son, though. My son was willing to fight him under the proper conditions on what they’re talking about making legal today. They’re talking about making that legal, that Olympic testing—and they should make it legal to stop all of this BS and this nonsense man, because boxing is going way, way in the opposite direction.”

On whether he believes boxing will suffer if a fight between Pacquiao and his son is not made:
“It’s going to suffer. Yes, it will suffer because of that because there ain’t no more name fighters, other than my son, to really even talk about to be for real. After my son lets the boxing game go, the game’s pretty much sliding unless they find someone real, real quick. It ain’t looking good for boxing.”

On why he thinks his son has looked more impressive in his last two outings:
“You know, it’s his skills and of course, his Daddy being around. Everything has something to do with it. It all had something to do with it. You saw that he did much better when I was there. So I’m just telling you that there’s a reason for it. There’s a reason for everything that happens. It’s really not hard to figure out. His Daddy was training him in the beginning. His Daddy was training him before he went to the Olympics. I’m the one who taught him how to fight, period. So why do you think he got better?”

On what fighters out there he believes he can improve as a trainer:
“Yes, I could make a lot of fighters. As a matter of fact, one I could make better is Pacquiao. Not that I necessarily want to train him, but I’m just saying that’s another one that I can make better. Just look at him. I can make him better with him just being Pacquiao by itself. With no nothing special just making him better—with him as a fighter himself and me. I’m just saying he could be a much better fighter. You got a lot of fighters out there who could be better fighters. They just don’t have the right people in the background. Some guys are fighting, they just don’t got the right teachers. Some guys can’t fight, and they got the right teachers. The right teachers just can’t get to them. So yes, a fighter you got to teach your fighter. There’s a difference between teaching and training. You have to teach. Teach is where you catch on. When you’re teaching a fighter, you teach him to jab first, right hand, hook, and after that everything else accumulates behind that. Once you get the fundamentals right, everything else follows.”

On who he believes are some of the other good boxing trainers in the sport today:
“A lot of these fighters, I don’t know. I can only say what I see and I will say one thing---Freddie Roach, they got him in the Hall of Fame and he should be in the ‘Hall of Shame’. You all know that. There’s so many other fighters. All the Mayweathers are the better trainers, anyway, then all the other fighters. We do have a few other trainers there that can train, but overall, the Mayweathers are the top of the line when it comes to trainers. You got me, Roger, and Jeff.”

On who he sees his son fighting next if the Pacquiao fight does not happen:
“Well you know, right now the only kind of person I can see fight with Floyd right now and give him some type of fight—but he won’t beat little Floyd—is that would be probably Paul Williams. Paul Williams is tall, lanky, but I haven’t really kept up with Paul Williams to be honest. I know little Floyd is faster, is smarter and that’s all you maybe need. It ain’t about how tall you are, you got to be smart. When you’re smart, those are the things that pay the bills. I don’t really think that Paul Williams will cause a major threat, but he’s the only one that I could see now. I thought Shane would do something before, but I guess as you see if he ain’t got nothing in him, if he ain’t got the enhancements and stuff in him, guess what? They can’t win. They can’t beat no damn body.”

Don't be bitter about the FOD thing Floyd Sr, its an opinion.

[youngswish23]

mayweather sr is a great trainer too. The Black Mamba gets alot of credit for floyds success but i think there both great trainers. They both know there ****. Roger got the offense and Floyd has the defense.

[Deevel916]

BOTTOM LINE:

PACQUIAO AND FREEDIE DON'T WANT NONE!!!!

If they don't make the fight happen, they're just leaving easy money on the table.

Easy money.

It's very hard to believe $30,000,000+ is sittin' in a metal suitcase somewhere and nobody wants to claim it.

Same can be said for Floyd. Pac has compromised already by accepting 14 days down from 24. What has Floyd compromised?

Floyd will also leave just as much money on the table if this fight doesnt materilize.

[Beater_of_ass]

You talking about manny beating hall of famers, yet you neglect to mention that he lost ERIK MORALES, DOMINATED EVEN. And you act as if he beat these people in their prime?
Was not erik morales just coming off a loss to zahir raheem, being shut out? (morales only won 1-2 rounds if memory serves me correct)

Was not cotto coming off a huge loss in MARGARITO? AND COTTO WON A BELT FROM Micheal Jennings whom I bet you couldnt even pick out of a police line up.

Was not erik morales over (x3pounds) in the ZAHIR RAHEEM FIGHT? Was not manny at that fight watching? Why didnt he fight the winner zahir raheem? He fights for pride and honor? why did it take so long to rematch MORALES?

Morales being overweight stated he couldnt make the weight anymore. Why would the warrior want to fight a man in his weakest condition? Why put 10,000,000 dollar weight penalties on fighters when pac has come in overweight more than any fighter has has put these stipulations on?

Can you honestly say that beating cotto whom most peope say was cheated against by the mason known as margarito was a good opponent? Why is manny trying to start fighting him again? Could it be that he wants another fabled weight class championship? would you honor and be a clown saying manny has done the impossisble, impossible?

Dont give me that ****. Even today most boxing experts say MARQUEZ BEAT HIM ala bert sugar and a host of others.

keep it real, dont fake son.

YOU START OF BEING UNBIASED, AND THEN YOU END UP BEING BIASED AS HELL.

THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK, BUT YOU GOTTA AT LEAST COME OFF AS MORE OBJECTIVE.

Don't bring up previous records when talking about these guys opponents, Floyd has no chance of winning. Gatti was a guy with I believe 8 losses at the time... Baldomir had 9 losses, lets not even start that Morales was coming off of a loss. Gatti and Baldomir were coming off of 17, so please just stop now. Unless you choose to defend Floyd fighting these guys, because they were a nice paycheck. Didn't Manny vs. Morales make get more buys and weren't they against a HoF coming off a loss or not? Again, you aren't going to win a Floyd argument by using his resume. They are big names, but far from big wins get over it.

Floyd retired to avoid Cotto 'nuff said there, but I'll keep going. Cotto had two fights before he fought Manny, both wins. JMM had one fight after his loss to Manny against Diaz. JMM had to move up 2 weight classes, Cotto had to drop 2 pounds.

You are really hung up about this Morales thing eh? A fight that was what like 6 years ago? Or you bring up Marquez and how Manny got robbed because Bert Sugar said so? You must not have watched Mayweather vs Castillo if you don't think that there was A TON of controversy in that fight as well, just like JMM/Paq. Or... is it because Bert Sugar says that fighter won a fight and because he's Bert Sugar thats just the way it is?

I can't speak for Manny if he wants to fight Cotto again or if he wants Mayweather. I'm pretty sure he wants Mayweather, but whether it be he is on PeD's, or because he doesn't want Mayweather to make all the rules he is not going to go lower than 14 days. But... Mayweather doesn't want a piece of Manny either "unless he's clean." Well if there is a 14 day cut off, that is enough to get a cycle of PeD's in without getting caught. However, just taking them 2 weeks before the fight isn't going to make a difference. Steroids are like the human body they take time to develop, work and take affect. If you take steroids and don't work out you know what happens? You get fat as hell, because it turns into fat it needs to go somewhere.

What I'm getting at is, 2 weeks of doping, especially once you start weening off training for the last week to rest up your body, isn't going to help Manny much, if at all. If Floyd, especially Sr. thinks that Manny is on steroids and that Floyd can beat him even if he is on him then why not take the damn 14 day agreement? The truth is greatness always prevails, baseball is the perfect example. Sure A-Rod, Ortiz, Manny, Bonds, Clemens... all of them on steroids, however, the best player at the time is still Albert Pujols. The guy has been nothing but clean his entire career and he still stood alone as the best in baseball. If Floyd really is THAT good and GOD GIFTED as he says, no man-made substance will make up for it.

And BTW I am keeping it real homie, I'm simply asking that the Mayweather camp back up all the **** they talk. I'm the greatest ever, blah blah blah fighting guys with the lousy records he's faced is just sad. I mean really, for a guy who is so hung up on your record validating your status as a fighter Mayweather fights some ****TY guys, I mean horrific going off of records.

In just his WW career these are Mayweathers opponents:

Mosley = 5 losses / Clottey = 2 losses
Marquez = 4 losses / Cotto = 1 loss
Hatton = 0 losses (Holy hell) / Hatton = 1 loss
DLH = 4 losses / DLH = 5 losses
Baldomir = 9 / Diaz = 1 loss
Judah = 2 losses / JMM = 3 losses
Gatti = 8 losses / Barrera = 4 losses (I believe)

So, in his entire WW career Mayweather has faced a total of 7 fighters with a combined 34 losses. Take away the names are their isn't much there at all, and these are guys considered ATG's in Mosley and DLH. I mean WTF else is Manny supposed to show people? His first real WW fight was a catchweight 2 pounds below the limit against Cotto, or you can simply count the 147 bout against DLH. What were Mayweathers first two WW bouts Gatti and Judah with 3rd being Baldomir? ****, I already forgot what exactly we are arguing about because the damn records speak for themselves.

[Vadrigar.]

WOW, a duck? Paul Williams is a giant. You really can't blame Floyd for noget fighting a guy with reach, longer then the Klits.

Really?.............

[megadeth]

Part in bold.

in that contract, each man agreed to a substantial penalty clause for every pound, or fraction thereof, more than 144.

Am I missing something? This isn't saying you MUST come in at 144. Its just saying, if u do, there will be a penalty...right? There was a limit of 147 for the fight and a penalty at 144. Mayweather came in at 146 and paid the penalty. So, where is the "cheating"?

[Carpe Diem]

Floyd Sr: "I am the best, i must confess, to all the rest, there's no contest."

[Vadrigar.]

Floyd Sr: "I am the best, i must confess, to all the rest, there's no contest."

Sr.