Is Pacquaio's Power and Finishing skills overrated?

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  • GrandpaBernard
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    #31
    Originally posted by Travdog
    Let me preface by saying I think Manny is the #2 P4P fighter and I have been a fan since the late 90's. Only fight I ever picked him to lose was DeLaHoya and I think he won both fights against Marquez.

    Now people talk about if was Pacman that had hurt Floyd it would have been a wrap.

    Manny knocked Marquez down three times in one round and couldn't stop him.
    He dropped him in the second fight and hurt him bad in the 10th round of that fight and couldn't stop him.

    It's just a question because people act like it's an easy feat to knockout Floyd and if Manny is supposed to be the one doing it he sure couldn't do it to Marquez who was wait more hurt than Floyd was against Shane.
    No, manny isn't a good finisher. People are fooling themselves into believing he is because they feel the only way he can win is if he gets PBF out of there early.

    His power isn't overrated. Everyone knows he has to stop someone on accumulation.

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    • brick wall
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      #32
      Originally posted by Travdog
      Yeah but in the rematch he dropped Marquez and Badly hurt him the 10th. And even against Cotto he whopped on him but didn't really finish him...The Ref stopped it due to accumulation.....
      there are always 2 sides to a coin. you're only looking at how pac dropped jmm and not able to finish him off...you didn't consider jmm's ability to recover fast when he's hurt. during pac-jmm 1, he was down 3 times just in the first round with a badly broken nose but the guy doesn't even need the full 10 count to recover. as soon as the ref signaled for the fight to continue jmm was there swinging and trading punches again. not only his fast recovery remarkable, jmm is a true warrior in its truest sense...there's no quit in him. i have seen fighters got dropped and you can see they can still fight but they choose not to because they're more concerned about not getting hurt again rather than give themselves a chance to get back in the fight and have a chance to win.

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      • whirlwind
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        #33
        Originally posted by Travdog
        Let me preface by saying I think Manny is the #2 P4P fighter and I have been a fan since the late 90's. Only fight I ever picked him to lose was DeLaHoya and I think he won both fights against Marquez.

        Now people talk about if was Pacman that had hurt Floyd it would have been a wrap.

        Manny knocked Marquez down three times in one round and couldn't stop him.
        He dropped him in the second fight and hurt him bad in the 10th round of that fight and couldn't stop him.


        It's just a question because people act like it's an easy feat to knockout Floyd and if Manny is supposed to be the one doing it he sure couldn't do it to Marquez who was wait more hurt than Floyd was against Shane.
        If you watch both fights again you will see clearly that JMM was just lucky and saved by the bell. Honestly if there was at least 20 seconds left that round in both fights Pac will finish him for sure.
        Last edited by whirlwind; 06-21-2010, 09:10 PM.

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        • Kingstan315
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          #34
          Originally posted by DR.ORGYY
          yet mosley never even hurt cotto and pac punished cotto.......even cotto says hes never been hit as hard as pac hit him.....
          if thats what he said, then plaster hands Margarito must have knocked something loosein his head...

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          • blacksocks
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            #35
            How many fighters did Manny sent to the hospital after the fight and wasn't able to attend the press con?

            That must have something to do with his power and finishing ability.

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            • Bennett
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              #36
              Originally posted by T.I.
              Manny made oscar quit. Manny made hatton sleep. Manny made cotto run. Manny made clottey hide. Yea his power and finishing skills are overrated. LOL!
              oscar was drained and shot
              hatton was tainted, almost always weight drained and had just gotten brutally ko'd
              clottey is a b-level fighter.

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              • Kingstan315
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                #37
                Originally posted by whirlwind
                If you watch both fights again you will see clearly that JMM was just lucky and saved by the bell. Honestly if there was at least 20 seconds left that round in both fights Pac will finish him for sure.
                If If was a spliff, It would be a party going on...

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                • Kingstan315
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by blacksocks
                  How many fighters did Manny sent to the hospital after the fight and wasn't able to attend the press con?

                  That must have something to do with his power and finishing ability.
                  How many???

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                  • F l i c k e r
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by ELPacman
                    People think just because Mosley couldn't drop Mayweather and Mosley is suppose to have more power, that Manny can't. SO what happened during Mosley-Cotto? Mosley landed tons of bombs on Cotto yet Cotto never went down. Pac dropped Cotto twice and almost a couple more times until the stoppage. WHY? Because the speed...the angles. Cotto couldn't see the knockdown punches. Had no clue where they came from and got caught clean. Same can happen to Fraud. Pac's power isn't overrated, I just don't think it was ever rated super high to begin with. He's always been an accumulation of punishment type of fighter. I never really saw him as a 1 punch puncher.

                    Different weights and Mosley hardly landed **** worth talking about against Cotto. Not to mention Pacquiao had the style to beat Cotto, just like Margarito.

                    When Mosley FINALLY tried to bring the heat, Cotto was in retreat mode. Cotto gassed in the late rounds and Mosley couldn't get a hand on him. Even Cotto said he was just trying to avoid. So I don't know where you get this Mosley landed bombs and Cotto never dropped thing from. Cotto beat him to the punch every time.

                    And the same won't happen to Floyd. Your taking people with defense equal to only 1/3rd of Mayweather's defense and making assessments from there. If Pacquiao would have fought Guzman, then we would see 94.5% of how Pacquiao would handle Floyd. Since he didn't, we can only go with the next best thing.... Marquez. And that only compares to 45% of Mayweather's ability. And we all saw how Marquez gave Manny waaaaaaay too many problems. Seeing how he hasn't fought a counter puncher since then, we can only look at Marquez. Even if it was years ago.

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                    • Bennett
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by ELPacman
                      People think just because Mosley couldn't drop Mayweather and Mosley is suppose to have more power, that Manny can't. SO what happened during Mosley-Cotto? Mosley landed tons of bombs on Cotto yet Cotto never went down.
                      cotto hadn't taken the beating of his life before he fought mosley. cotto wasnt weight drained either.

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