Roy Jones JR: Manny at least top 3 or 4 on GOAT LIST

[fugu]

Yeah it is a great post. Its kinda because of posts like these (although they are rare as hell) i frequent this board.
We are all basically passionate about the same sport but most people let their ego and absurd fanboyism get in the way.

[Pacdbest]

Pac is getting older too. Dude has had alot of wear and tear on his body. But how is he STILL getting stronger?

Stronger than when He was at 130 lbs!! Stronger than 3 years ago. And now He's settling with the Welter weights. Pac is getting older too but he is in Prime right now. But still No matter how you debate it, Floyd's still older.

[Alibata]

Stronger than when He was at 130 lbs!! Stronger than 3 years ago. And now He's settling with the Welter weights. Pac is getting older too but he is in Prime right now. But still No matter how you debate it, Floyd's still older.

Also it could be a weight drained vs. optimal weight. We all know Pac struggled hard to make 130. People do get stronger if they are not punishing themselves to make weight and are closer to optimal weight... Pac is just closer to his optimal weight. Cotto @ 140 was weaker than Cotto @ 147, you can see that he had a better jaw too at a higher weight.

[Amazinger]

Roy Jones jr can have an opinion as well as all of us.....

I don't agree with it YET though.....

[check hook]

How is Floyd bigger and stronger than SRR? SRR started as a LW who had a fight a LHW. Was also taller than Floyd. Do you think Floyd could fight as a LHW?

I mean I guess that could hold true for HW's. Seeing that back in the day the top HW's rareley weight more than 225 pounds. While now is rare to see a top HW who weighs less then 225 pounds.

But, back then a WW weighed 147, today a WW weights 147. Where is the bigger and stronger coming from? A MW now weighs 160 a MW 100 years weigh in at 160. And, you can do that for every weight-class except HW I give you that.

I have not seen a faster fighter yet then Camacho or Taylor. so how are fighters from today faster?

And, honestly can't really say that Floyd was faster than SRR, maybe had better reflexes I give you that. But, SRR had very good speed.

As for as skills that again is not true. Go look at the top 10 P4P list of 30 years ago.

Ray Leonard,
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Alexis Argeullo
Marving Hagler
Salvador Sancehz
Wilfredo Gomez
Aaron Pryor
Wilfredo Benitez
Jeff Chandler

Compared that to todays top 10 P4P fighters.

Pac
Floyd
Donaire
JMM
Caballero
Mosley
P-Will
Dawson
Wonjongkam
Martinez

Tell me which P4P list overall has the better skilled fighters?

Now for the styles comment. Again that is not true. The styles from back then will work in today era. Look at George Benton for example



tell me if George Benton style is not similar to a very elite fighter of this era?

Go look at Charles Burley style



Are you saying this style and skill set would not be effective in this era?

Hell go even look at Primo Carnera style. And, tell me is not like watching Vitaly Klitschko.



And, look at Carnera size. He was 6'5 255-265 pounds, reach was 85 inches. Now compare that to Vitaly who is 6'7 245-250 pound with a reach of 80 inches.

Don't tell me that today's fighters in any way shape and form are better then fighters from back then.

i was going to reply..........thanks for saving me the trouble.....alot of today's boxers aren't technically sound at all and have zero defense...........

boxing is one of those rare sports where nutrition and technological advances haven't advanced the sport............can you imagine if the guys you mentioned didn't have same day weigh ins...........Hearns and SRL were huge WW's..............many of today's moder "greats" train using the old techniques of the past...........



every1 green k the man......this post deserves credit............

[Southpaw Stinger]

I'm a big Pac fan... but Roy's talking out of his rear end.

[[ DUBBZZ ]]

*****: "RJJ knows nothing about boxing"

[The Comedian]

*****: "RJJ knows nothing about boxing"

[Travdog]

How is Floyd bigger and stronger than SRR? SRR started as a LW who had a fight a LHW. Was also taller than Floyd. Do you think Floyd could fight as a LHW?

I mean I guess that could hold true for HW's. Seeing that back in the day the top HW's rareley weight more than 225 pounds. While now is rare to see a top HW who weighs less then 225 pounds.

But, back then a WW weighed 147, today a WW weights 147. Where is the bigger and stronger coming from? A MW now weighs 160 a MW 100 years weigh in at 160. And, you can do that for every weight-class except HW I give you that.

I have not seen a faster fighter yet then Camacho or Taylor. so how are fighters from today faster?

And, honestly can't really say that Floyd was faster than SRR, maybe had better reflexes I give you that. But, SRR had very good speed.

As for as skills that again is not true. Go look at the top 10 P4P list of 30 years ago.

Ray Leonard,
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Alexis Argeullo
Marving Hagler
Salvador Sancehz
Wilfredo Gomez
Aaron Pryor
Wilfredo Benitez
Jeff Chandler

Compared that to todays top 10 P4P fighters.

Pac
Floyd
Donaire
JMM
Caballero
Mosley
P-Will
Dawson
Wonjongkam
Martinez

Tell me which P4P list overall has the better skilled fighters?

Now for the styles comment. Again that is not true. The styles from back then will work in today era. Look at George Benton for example



tell me if George Benton style is not similar to a very elite fighter of this era?

Go look at Charles Burley style



Are you saying this style and skill set would not be effective in this era?

Hell go even look at Primo Carnera style. And, tell me is not like watching Vitaly Klitschko.



And, look at Carnera size. He was 6'5 255-265 pounds, reach was 85 inches. Now compare that to Vitaly who is 6'7 245-250 pound with a reach of 80 inches.

Don't tell me that today's fighters in any way shape and form are better then fighters from back then.

Truly one of the best posts I have ever read. Great video...I had never seen one of Carnera before....Green K

[qwerty07]

I think you grossly underestimate how long evolution takes to make a dent.

Again. Tell me about the nutritional and technical advances that has had anything to do with boxers being better today.
You stated it so you should have examples.
Belgian blue meat? Plasma screen tv to analyze fights?

Seriously, tell me.

Evolution doesn't have much to do with the size of people, nutrition and Standard of living does. My older siblings and parents were born and raised in 3rd world countries. I and my younger siblings were born in America, all the younger kids in my family are much bigger and taller than the older kids, because of the change in standard of living and nutrition.

There is no doubt that more is known about the human body today than 50 years ago.
-The field of "Sports Medicine" attributed to that. Experts in that field can craft the human body to be most optimal for whatever sport is played.
-Endurance sports, for example, has a lot of emphasis on carbs while high intensity sports like boxing focus a lot on protein.

There is no doubt that the standard of living is better today than it was 50 years ago, at least in America and the West.
-GDP per capita increased from around 10k to over 20k from the 50's to now.
-Higher standard of living means better nutrition as a child provided by parents, cleaner environments and more medicine means your body is less sick, less often. Advances in brain research means a more healthy child not just physically but mentally. A child growing in a broken/violent home will have majors issues in adult life. The smarter the parents, the less that happens. Also higher educated populace than in the past.

Raising the bar, pushing the limit:
-Standing on the shoulders of giants. The need to be better. Every athlete would love to break their sports' records, this helps drive every generation to be better than the last.
-Records are always being beaten. This proves a few things. The athletes are superior and/or the technology is better today. This proves both my points.
-I've never seen highlight reels from 50 years ago that look more amazing than the ones from today. Have you?

Media influences
-Athletes today are marketed to kids so much more than in the past, with the TV, cellphone, internet, which means more kids aspire to be athletes, which equals a larger talent pool.
-With all the money athletes get today, kids are more hungry to be professionals and get out of poverty.

Support systems
-Most professional athletes today have trainers, advisers, consultants, nutritionists, etc, to keep them in tip top performance. No pro athlete today does anything on his own, and he shouldn't have to, when trying to perform at a top level.
-Since they make so much money, even they're third cousins, twice removed will come to all their games and visit them 3 times a year!

There are just so many factors that contribute to the rise of bigger and stronger athletes that writing more than this will just waste both our time.
or.....would you like me to continue?