Chris John and Freddie Norwood outboxed Marquez?

**Mr. David** · 06-09-2010, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Dandiez1

I have a friend who has a special career dvd of juan manuel marquez. There were two fighters who outboxed him that I dont know that much about Chris John and Freddie Norwood. How can two fighters beat who ring magazine have ranked as number 3 and not become big ppv names themselves. Also, how can a fighter ranked number 3 by ring magazine have so many losses and to not huge names?

You have a friend who has this set, but did you actually watch those fights?

**boxingsmash69** · 06-09-2010, 04:28 PM

I saw those fights recently. Both times the decision should have went to Marquez IMO.

Marquez/John took place in John's home country of Indonesia, where Marquez was deducted 2 points for low blows that weren't even clear low blows. He landed those body shots right on the belt. Last time I checked, those are supposed to be legal shots. John made Marquez miss quite often, but Marquez surely landed more punches overall. I had Marquez winning by a close decision, including the 2 point deduction.

**boxingsmash69** · 06-09-2010, 04:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marquez+chris+john&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marquez+norwood&aq=f

**warp1432** · 06-09-2010, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Mr. David

You have a friend who has this set, but did you actually watch those fights?

Is noorwood marquez as bad as John Marquez? I haven't seen that fight, but jesus John Marquez was terrible (the fight and the decision)

**boxingsmash69** · 06-09-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by warp1432

Is noorwood marquez as bad as John Marquez? I haven't seen that fight, but jesus John Marquez was terrible (the fight and the decision)

I would say that the Norwood fight is worse than the John fight. Norwood stunk up the fight by running too much.

**boxingsmash69** · 06-09-2010, 04:31 PM

By the way, Chris John is still the featherweight champion and undefeated. I would like to see Rafael Marquez fight Chris John!

**Dick Buffman** · 06-09-2010, 04:32 PM

I had JMM winning 9-3 against John and 8-4 against Norwood.

Bull**** decisions.

**Jack Napier** · 06-09-2010, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Dandiez1

I have a friend who has a special career dvd of juan manuel marquez. There were two fighters who outboxed him that I dont know that much about Chris John and Freddie Norwood. How can two fighters beat who ring magazine have ranked as number 3 and not become big ppv names themselves. Also, how can a fighter ranked number 3 by ring magazine have so many losses and to not huge names?

surprised JMM still #3, though that's irrelevant anyway
and watch those fights before you trash JMM for them
and those losses were years ago, how the fuck they matter now?

**Dandiez1** · 06-09-2010, 04:32 PM

yeah he showed me a great website where you can buy the careers dvds with all big fights of top fighters. It is cool I think I might and try to get one for cotto, mayweather and mosley. I guess I meant outpointed instead of outboxed. I actually had Marquez losing both fights by 1 point. He gets better with age minus the mayweather fight

Chris John and Freddie Norwood outboxed Marquez?