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Is Manny Pacquiao compromise a Fair one? Why did he APPEASE to MAYWEATHER demands??

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  • Originally posted by swizz View Post
    you just got own
    I just got own? WTF is that exactly?

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    • Originally posted by Horus View Post
      If Pacquiao really believe that the commission test was good enough for his past bouts orginally why did he cave, appease, and pacify to MAYWEATHER demands of extra drug testing?

      Pacquiao went from no test, to 3 test only, to 30 days, to 24 days, and now to 14 days?
      Will he go to 7 days next? If so Why?

      Did Pacquiao come to the realization that he was wrong on this issue?
      What in the Negotiations made Manny Pacquiao "Fighter of the Decade" compromised his values???

      Is Manny Pacquiao compromise a Fair one ? If so how? and to who?

      So this brings me to a topic I want to discuss,

      How do you Negotiate fairness?

      If two individuals from two different places of the world came together to decide on a contract,

      What principles should they used? Because deciding on principles for negotiation is really determining whose values and belief system gets checked!

      If they try to meet in the middle, where is the middle? Is middle left or middle right?? If you notice the patterned the true test of these deciding factors comes when one of those two individuals decides to cave, appease, satisfy, or pacify first. Then the question is how far is that person willing to cave, appease, satisfy, and pacify, and what made that person give up on his values and principles in the first place?

      Now we have an interesting situation, because not only as one person compromise their position, but they have just ceded control to the other individual. They let their opposition frame the conversation, and therefore frame the reality, more important the perception of reality.

      The one who controls perception controls reality.

      So say now the individual with the control decides to tell the other individual that the only fair way for us to determine and finalized the contract is for both of them to undergo a test to solidify that both of them believe in integrity, fairness, and justice to each other and the contract. and the other individual doesnt agree.

      Now a problem naturally arises from the other individual side, what kind of test? and why is this test the deciding factor of integrity, fairness, and justice to each other and the contract.

      BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM, the time to ask those questions are over, because that individual agreed to the other individual principles by caving, appeasing, satisfying, and pacifying to the other individuals framework of the conversation,

      So I ask the question how do you Negotiate fairness? Simple. YOU DON’T !!
      Because once you do, what you think is fair based on your values, and principles will soon be determine be someone else as soon as you Negotiate it.

      So once again is Manny Pacquiao compromise a Fair one? to "himself"


      THE POINT
      Ive always thought its a psychological thing with Pac, and if he thinks this is his last fight, he decided to take a risk, plus maybe he has got used to the fact that the blood test wont physically weaken him.

      Plus, with Floyd calling him a cheat back then, he has calmed down a little and maybe it was partly mind games and ego.

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      • Originally posted by Horus View Post
        Not at all, the point is this thread is to examine the decisions pacquiao has made over the last 8 months and why and at what cost?

        Imagine if he would have accepted this offer in december, no one would have ever question him because his acceptance of this offer would have void the clams of him being scared of a drug test. and thus cheating

        But he deny the test, let the smoke turn into a fire, and now wants to compromised his orginal values which him and his fans argued for all in the name of what? a fight he could of had in March???


        What made him change his mind now? and why didnt he think like this in december?
        honestly you dont think its an effort for him to accept the test now with 14 day cutoff meaning he doesnt want to fight floyd now?

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        • Horus will always be a blind fan who supports floyd 100 % no matter what . Floyd could retire right now and horus would make a page long post why he isnt ducking and blabblababblaba , he is a fool .

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          • Originally posted by Chuckguy View Post
            Pac is afraid of getting tested getting caught and tarnishing his legacy

            floyd is afraid of getting ko'd and losing
            No one likes to lose, no matter how hard they pretend that they don't they do. It's not about afraid of losing to Pacquiao, it's about afraid of losing period. Every Athletes hate losing no matter how much money they are making, unless you're LeBron James..

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            • I really can't believe why some of this people can't see the light.

              Floyd is the one who keep putting these obstacles while Pac clearing it for the fans.

              Pac bending to this unreliable OST (unless doing it correctly 24/7/365) show us he wants what the fans really want to see. There is no reason why Floyd not accepting the 14 days cut-off compared to the 18 days cut off in his fight with Mosley. Either they know it or not about the 18 days cut-off. Thiis 2 months OST as we know recently there is a big hole on it and rendered it useless unless they doing it correctly like all year round 24/7/365. Now you add the facts Floyd wants now a higher purse plus his another retirement plan. Who can really says he is not the one putting a road block to this fight?

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              • Originally posted by P4P305 View Post
                No one likes to lose, no matter how hard they pretend that they don't they do. It's not about afraid of losing to Pacquiao, it's about afraid of losing period. Every Athletes hate losing no matter how much money they are making, unless you're LeBron James..
                I agree, in a sense. I don't think he is afraid of Pac. But, I think he is afraid of losing. But, I also think that is cuz he never lost before. His whole legacy for evolves around that "0" that is what makes him great in his mind. That is why keeps talking about other fighters loses.

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                • Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
                  I agree, in a sense. I don't think he is afraid of Pac. But, I think he is afraid of losing. But, I also think that is cuz he never lost before. His whole legacy for evolves around that "0" that is what makes him great in his mind. That is why keeps talking about other fighters loses.
                  If he was afraid to lose he wouldve took up another sport.

                  No one is afraid of losing.

                  No one wants to lose. Two different things.

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                  • Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                    If he was afraid to lose he wouldve took up another sport.

                    No one is afraid of losing.

                    No one wants to lose. Two different things.
                    he doesnt want to lose cuz of his 0.

                    ur logic is for starters who doeant have anything to prove yet.. so ur not afraid if you lose or not..

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                    • He's not afraid? Then why bring up the test? Easy work right?

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