How on earth would a prime vitali lolse to mohammed ali

[RayLeonard82]

Neither has fought a fighter with the speed and ability to punch from a variety of different angles as a prime Muhammad Ali from the late 1960's. I mean Vitali had some problems with Chris Byrd who to me was slow as heck when they fought but crafty. Byrd used no later movement, his hand speed was decent at best.

Prime Ali is gonna be on his toes circling and punching from all angles keeping either klitschko off balance. Im talking late 60's Ali who could box on his toes and could punch in combination more often then the 70s version who started pacing himself.

[RayLeonard82]

Vitali to me is to slow and mechanical for prime Ali. I could picture Ali joking about it in the pre fight.

[knn]

Earnie Shavers is No. 10 on the ring magazine's list of 100 greatest punchers. By consensus he is the hardest hitter of all time.

Yeah so? I give you FACTs you give me some "consensus opinion". You know the difference between the opinion that the earth is flat and actual FACTs about earth, don't you?

Muhammad Ali, Joe Bugner, Larry Holmes, Randall "Tex" Cobb, Ron Lyle and Ken Norton all credited Shavers as being the hardest puncher they had ever faced in the ring.

So what? I already answered that. It's completely irrelevant that his punches FEEL hard. If one doesn't win in the end then something else is wrong (accuracy, wrong body targets, fear of hitting, amount of hitting, reach etc).

And, yeah, keep mentioning some US magazine where nostalgic US experts glorify US boxers. Fortunately the FACTs about Shavers weigh more than some opinions in US magazines.

Larry Holmes... credited Shavers as being the hardest puncher they had ever faced in the ring.

Yes, yes, and Holmes claimed that others hit much harder than Tyson (what a nonsense, Tyson KOed him, the others didn't) and Chris Byrd claimed that Wladimir is easier to hit than Vitali. Don't trust boxers regarding their opponents. There is simply too much adrenaline involved to remain clear minded.

[RayLeonard82]

Vitali even though he fought brave was stopped by past prime Lennox Lewis who in 2003 is no where as quick as 1967 Ali.

Im trying to figure out how is Vitali gonna hit Ali enough to do damage when Ali is on his toes boxing, circling then pop pop pop.

I think your watching to much 1977 Ali at 36 years old.

[elgaringo]

Lets face it, lennox lewis wold batter ali, and vitali with one eye(from a lucky punch) was outworking and outlanding lennox lewis..

He is more athetic than ali, has more speed, has greater reach, has a better chin, never robbed anyone of the victory(norton 3 times,cooper first fight).

Ali would not get past vitalis jab.

Face it, these klitscko's are the best heavyweights ever....

Your boxing knowledge is on a par with your spelling!!!!

[Vadrigar.]

Yeah so? I give you FACTs you give me some "consensus opinion". You know the difference between the opinion that the earth is flat and actual FACTs about earth, don't you?


So what? I already answered that. It's completely irrelevant that his punches FEEL hard. If he doesn'twin in the end then something else is wrong (accuracy, wrong body targets, fear of hitting, amount of hitting etc).

Hahaha, yeah, keep mentioning some US magazine where nostalgic US experts glorify US boxers. Fortunately the FACTs about Shavers weigh more than some opinions in US magazines.


Yes, yes, and Holmes claimed that others hit much harder than Tyson (what a nonsense, Tyson KOed him, the others didn't) and Chris Byrd claimed that Wladimir is easier to hit than Vitali. Don't trust boxers regarding their opponents. There is simply too much adrenaline involved to remain clear minded.

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Yeah so? I give you FACTs you give me some "consensus opinion". You know the difference between the opinion that the earth is flat and actual FACTs about earth, don't you?" - lol your the only one giving ******ed opinions. I have already given the facts. Due to consensus this opinion is virtually a fact.

"So what? I already answered that. It's completely irrelevant that his punches FEEL hard. If he doesn'twin in the end then something else is wrong (accuracy, wrong body targets, fear of hitting, amount of hitting etc)." - I'd rather take the opinion of someone who actually fought the guy, rather than some chinless ALT, who couldn't take a punch from a school kid. Feel hard?Are you serious? that's the best way to judge punching power. Not some Circumstancial KO%


"Hahaha, yeah, keep mentioning some US magazine where nostalgic US experts glorify US boxers. Fortunately the FACTs about Shavers weigh more than some opinions in US magazines." - US magazines know more than a ******ed ALT


"Yes, yes, and Holmes claimed that others hit much harder than Tyson (what a nonsense, Tyson KOed him, the others didn't) and Chris Byrd claimed that Wladimir is easier to hit than Vitali. Don't trust boxers regarding their opponents. There is simply too much adrenaline involved to remain clear minded." - lol holmes was way out of his prime and also off for two few years. He probably hadn't felt a punch in a long time. Tyson got him by frequency and accumulation of shots. Even tyson admitted that shavers hits harder than him. There is no dispute in this.

[CaRnAgEViOLaToR]

Ali would ****ing embarrass both Klitshckos in the same night. Klitschkos are GARBAGE compared to Ali

[Phirsole]

Uhh Vitali was dominating byrd, what the hell are people talking about. He got hurt by punching Byrds face too much. I mean are you arguing that Byrd was winning that fight? Or had a chance to win that fight? Did you see what Wlad did to Byrd...twice?

According to youtube, he ruptured his shoulder by MISSING Byrd too many times while punching with full strength. Vitali may have won most of the rounds, but a good defense pulled Byrd through to a win.

And a prime Ali is NOT known for being a stationary target...

[TheGreatA]

According to youtube, he ruptured his shoulder by MISSING Byrd too many times while punching with full strength. Vitali may have won most of the rounds, but a good defense pulled Byrd through to a win.

And a prime Ali is NOT known for being a stationary target...

Pretty much. Vitali missed a lot of punches in the fight which may have aggravated the injury.

[knn]

Due to consensus this opinion is virtually a fact.

Manifested ignorance. Hiding behind majority opinions of US-based nostalgists.

I'd rather take the opinion of someone who actually fought the guy, rather than some chinless ALT

Fabrication.

US magazines know more than a ******ed ALT

Fabrication + insult.

holmes was way out of his prime and also off for two few years.

Fabrication.

He probably hadn't felt a punch in a long time. Tyson got him by frequency and accumulation of shots.

Excuses. Accumulation of shots? After 3 rounds? Moreover that's not what Holmes said in the post-fight interview since you are so willing to believe fighters.

Even tyson admitted that shavers hits harder than him.

Fabrication. As if Tyson could "admit" it.

And whatever you say: Dwarf Shavers' record stays as it is: He is a KOer of bums who never won a title (except Nevada state title) and never won an eliminator. He couldn't win against basically every better opponent he has ever faced (Lyle, Quarry, Holmes, Tillis, Young, Clay).

Who cares that he could land a few punches per fight that hurt? This is not how boxing works, as proven by his achievements.