Strategy:Manny beats Floyd if he can do these things.

[Tamis!]

Interesting...I don't think Manny is disciplined to do everything Roach wants him to do...even if Manny wins the 1st, it will be obvious if Pac is trying to fight differently...

And yeah, if Pac is hesitant after a few rounds, he's in trouble...he can't fight Floyd's fight...if Floyd can counter him easily he may have no choice...

I think Floyd will either try to make it an inside fight or stay on the move to help lower Pac's workrate...

AFAIK the only time Pac didn't follow Roach's gameplan was at the Cotto match, with Pac saying he wanted to feel Cotto's power(?) and had himself hang out at the ropes, good thing for them it worked out.

[BIGBOXINGFAN]

The fights going to be made, no doubts about that. Floyd hears the pressure to fight Pacquiao every waking moment and he won't be able to ignore it for 2 years, so with that aside let's talk boxing.

The first thing is the jab and lead left hands. Mannys gonna have to move around Floyd all night and alternate leading with his right and left so Floyd won't be able counter him so easily.

The next thing is to throw fast flashy combinations from different angles. Something like shoeshine. Get in throw some threes and fours and spin out before the counter shots come.

The footwork is going to be very important here. Pac will have to be faster on his feet than Mayweather for 12 rounds and not get stuck in any one rhythm, because Floyd will adjust to a predictable bouncy tempo.

Manny will also have to stay away from the inside because Floyd is an expert at countering in close range. The body attack won't be there for Manny very often, so he's gonna have to focus on being effective from the outside.

The most important thing is don't be predictable. Mayweather is too smart for even 3 gameplans. You have to come into the ring and be as fluid as he is. Throw some crazy **** into the mix, maybe hit him low just to try and rattle his flow, double punch like the one on Clottey just to see if you can piss him off.

Don't even dream of Manny knocking Mayweather out though. He's too cautious to ever be knocked out in a fight, at least at welterweight that is. It will take a flush Junior Middleweight shot to knock him over and the man rarely gets hit flush. Mosley got to him with looping right hands, but Manny doesn't loop his power shots that way, nor does he throw from the same angles as Mosley.


This will be a test of Manny's athleticism, boxing IQ and overall skill-set. If he's a better athlete than Floyd he can pull this thing out, but that's a really big if. You'd have to really believe in Freddie Roach when he says that Mayweather lost his legs. If Mayweather has lost his foot speed and Manny works the plan he can take the fight on a Majority Decision

If .............If was a fifth we would all be drunk

[-EX-]

AFAIK the only time Pac didn't follow Roach's gameplan was at the Cotto match, with Pac saying he wanted to feel Cotto's power(?) and had himself hang out at the ropes, good thing for them it worked out.

Nah I think he'll listen but I can't see them giving Floyd the first round...no way that happens IMO...

Roach might have a good gameplan but he can't fight for Pac...Floyd has one of the best boxing brains in the sport...

[Tamis!]

Nah I think he'll listen but I can't see them giving Floyd the first round...no way that happens IMO...

Roach might have a good gameplan but he can't fight for Pac...Floyd has one of the best boxing brains in the sport...

Touche!

I just hope Floyd hurries up to make this fight coz he's not getting any younger.

[apokalips]

Watsap sir!

Yup, trading 1 shot punches with Floyd's a bait for barracudas. And to think Pac eats straight shots in the past.

Throwing Floyd out of his rings smarts/generalship is the key, making his movement limited and at the same time finding the angles Floyd might have trouble with fending. HOW = cutting the ring effectively (LOL i sound very redundant)

Manny's still a southpaw. Dady Sr. hates southpaws for a reason!

Hey

Yeah Manny has to really make sure that Southpaw awkwardness counts for something to try and unsettle Mayweather. Part of me believes Manny may need to do different things, but a lot of people believe Manny can beat Mayweather based on what they've seen him do previously so why change?

Most boxers believe if they do what they know to the best of their ability they have a better chance, because trying to change what you know for the first time at such a high level is risky.

Mayweather's game is to neurtalise his opponent and frustrate them which throws them off their gameplan and makes them fight on instinct. This is the reason that I believe that Mayweather has a better chance to KO Manny than he did Mosley.

Mosley realised he couldn't catch Floyd consistently and began looking for that one shot, which as Naazim said wouldn't come. Floyd's counters meant that Shane was scared to commit enough to landing that shot, whereas I can see Manny not caring and thus going all out. The most probable way of KOing Mayweather is to hit him with a flurry of hard shots so he may just decide to take the risk and it could end in one of them getting KO'd.

[fightfan2007]

wow an actual May / Pac thread that's about boxing !!

one thing I think Roach needs to take care of is the mind games Floyd will play both in and out of the ring.... Manny can follow a gameplan but when he gets mad he goes straight back to the fighter he always has been - lashing out with those vicious combos of his....

Floyd has already got under his skin but Manny really needs to stay focused for this one... his camp have a tendency to do a lot through the media with press releases coming every 5 minutes on how well he is doing in training.... this needs to stop for this fight.... Manny needs to go Rocky 4 style and shut himself off from the outside world as much as possible until the fight..... i have never been a huge fan of big entourages as i think they ultimately distract the fighter....

if i had to bet money i would bet early money on pacquiao as he may just be able to hurt floyd enough to finish him in the early rounds before he can adjust..... but if Manny hasnt dun the business by round 5 then Floyd will switch up gears leading to a UD or possibly late KO if he's eating too many counters.....

one thing i will say is that somehow Manny ALWAYS lands that left..... its one helluva weapon

[fcastro1]

in and out, side to side, combinations, speed, floyd will be overwhelmed and possibly stopped.

[Tamis!]

Hey

Yeah Manny has to really make sure that Southpaw awkwardness counts for something to try and unsettle Mayweather. Part of me believes Manny may need to do different things, but a lot of people believe Manny can beat Mayweather based on what they've seen him do previously so why change?

Most boxers believe if they do what they know to the best of their ability they have a better chance, because trying to change what you know for the first time at such a high level is risky.

Mayweather's game is to neurtalise his opponent and frustrate them which throws them off their gameplan and makes them fight on instinct. This is the reason that I believe that Mayweather has a better chance to KO Manny than he did Mosley.

Mosley realised he couldn't catch Floyd consistently and began looking for that one shot, which as Naazim said wouldn't come. Floyd's counters meant that Shane was scared to commit enough to landing that shot, whereas I can see Manny not caring and thus going all out. The most probable way of KOing Mayweather is to hit him with a flurry of hard shots so he may just decide to take the risk and it could end in one of them getting KO'd.

Floyd's thinking outta the box trait is also criminally underrated, just coz his past fights all looked the same, but that also applied to Manny. Both fighters has highly capable corners behind them, a matter of execution will play it big come fight time.

[SugarRoyJones]

Floyd needs to go ahead and make this fight because it's an easy fight for him to be honest. The first man who beats Mayweather will posess physical gifts that he doesn't(reach, height, speed, power and fresh legs), and that's not Manny. Manny isn't getting younger himself btw. In my original post I said Manny can win if Floyd has lost a step, but after watching the Clottey fight again I would argue that Manny has lost a step too.

[Tamis!]

Floyd needs to go ahead and make this fight because it's an easy fight for him to be honest. The first man who beats Mayweather will posess physical gifts that he doesn't(reach, height, speed, power and fresh legs), and that's not Manny. Manny isn't getting younger himself btw. In my original post I said Manny can win if Floyd has lost a step, but after watching the Clottey fight again I would argue that Manny has lost a step too.

Can I disagree on the bold?

Anyone would lose a step if they fight someone who did nothing but covered himself like an armadillo all fight long. It wouldn't be a barometer on how Pacquiao lost any if ever.

IMO the Clottey fight proved nothing but Pac getting tagged if he's too offensive minded, but he's trying to engage Clottey so there, and that Clottey's just a covering crazy scared arse bum.

Being easy for Floyd to beat Pac's ur opinion, let's just wait for the fight to happen.