Comments Thread For: Vitali Klitschko: David Haye Continues To Be Afraid

[edgarg]

Your suggestion that I may be ****** is amusing when viewed within the context of your post.

I will in fact call you ****** for stating "Those 3 fights were, blah, blah..." when it was plainly obvious that I was referring to the chicken-**** nature of the rematch clause, not the money.

" If you beat me, you have to fight my brother... "

Grow up kid with your name calling, whoever heard of such a thing happening outside of a school-yard ?

One rematch, against the same brother..... is fair.

Wlad still having nightmares about Corrie?

It is obvious , perhaps to everyone but you, that the contract Klitschko offered Haye, was a normal champion's contract, with the added sweetener of an extra fight, for huge money, if Haye also won the return.

Let me ask you, since you seem to be in Haye's inner circle, and have his "ear", if Haye didn't like the contract, why did he not make his own stipulations, as a counter-offer or compromise??

I 've just bought another apartment in Panama City, closing yesterday a contract the negotiating of which went on for the past 3 months. Not unusual.

In view of the great popular demand for this fight and with all the high-powered lawyers rhat Haye has available (like any other prominent boxer) there is NO reason, other than Haye's timidity. for not making a fight for which his tongue was hanging out.

[edgarg]

You should share the joke, as I'm sure nobody else sees it but you. You know, if you start s******ing to yourself, you shouldn't be surprised if people may think you're a "little lacking".

I have no idea why the word "s******ing" was blotted out. I certainly didnt do it.

[edgarg]

I have no idea why the word "s******ing" was blotted out. I certainly didnt do it.

Who's doing this? Is my computer haunted or something??

[LeadUppercut]

It is obvious , perhaps to everyone but you, that the contract Klitschko offered Haye, was a normal champion's contract, with the added sweetener of an extra fight, for huge money, if Haye also won the return.

Let me ask you, since you seem to be in Haye's inner circle, and have his "ear", if Haye didn't like the contract, why did he not make his own stipulations, as a counter-offer or compromise??

I 've just bought another apartment in Panama City, closing yesterday a contract the negotiating of which went on for the past 3 months. Not unusual.

In view of the great popular demand for this fight and with all the high-powered lawyers rhat Haye has available (like any other prominent boxer) there is NO reason, other than Haye's timidity. for not making a fight for which his tongue was hanging out.

Rubbish !!

Name one fight within the history of boxing, where the contract contained a rematch clause that stipulated whereupon after beating the champ, the challenger (now champion) would have to fight the old champ's big brother?

I will be reasonable here..... forget the brother example.....

Name one fight within the history of boxing, where the contract contained a rematch clause that stipulated whereupon after beating the champ, the challenger (now champion) would have to fight ANYONE OTHER THAN the old champ?

It's kinda not really a rematch..... is it?

[edgarg]

Actually, I don't feel like leaving it there either....

OK smartass, I am actually a Klitschko fan as well, but seeing that you went to allllllllll the trouble of calling me ******, as well as taking the rather simplistic approach by insinuating that Haye is hiding out back in the bike-sheds.....

..... tell me why Wlad will not fight his own rematches?

No trouble at all Pal, ANYTIME. If you like I have a fine assortment of descriptive adjectives, that I haven't used for a long time, so you're welcome.

As for "bike sheds" that brings with it to real school atmosphere........AAHHH! (deep breathing here)

As to why W Klitschko has not been fighting his "rematches" it seems simple to me, being as it were, a simple fellow myself.

Klitschko was destined for fame and glory right from the beginning, a charismatic, clean-living, good looking Olympic Gold Medal winner. It couldn't miss. His career was likely plotted out by a team of experts.

Losing to Purrity, was a drawback, since Puritty was just another "head" in his collection. You recall -maybe- that this was Klitschko's 25th fight in 24 months. The fight was stopped in the corner after, I think the 10th or 11th rd. Klitschko had won every rd by a huge margin. It was only Purrity's steel chin, which allowed the fight to continue for 10 (or 11). Purrity at that stage had lost 14 fights, and to rematch, would be, as you put it, "schoolboy stuff" and really needless. All Klitschko needed to do was make sure he didn't fade, in future in the last few rounds. This may have been his first 12 rounder.

As for the Sanders fight, Sanders was greatly helped by the ferocious headbutt with which he accompanied terrific left hand. Not once but 2 or 3 times. Both head and fist arriving almost simultaneously. Sanders then being champion, he had his own programme, which included the opportunity of taking on the famous brother, rather than waiting for months until WK had rested, relaxed, recouped and re-trained. Not being a confidante of either fighter, this is as much as I can surmise.

The same thing for the Brewster debacle, Brewster went on a moneymaking career trip, and eventually, when the opportunity arrived, there was a return. In this fight, Klitschko showed, without any ambivalence, that, just as in the first fight, he was Brewster's master.

If the ref had been more solicitous of Brewster's health in the first fight, he'd have stopped it after Btewster had been KD and almost KO'd in rd 4.

From what we knew, saw, and still see of WK's skill and mastery of boxing, it was and is obvious that he is and was streets ahead of the 3 fighters he'd lost to.

[LeadUppercut]

It is obvious , perhaps to everyone but you, that the contract Klitschko offered Haye, was a normal champion's contract, with the added sweetener of an extra fight, for huge money, if Haye also won the return.

Let me ask you, since you seem to be in Haye's inner circle, and have his "ear", if Haye didn't like the contract, why did he not make his own stipulations, as a counter-offer or compromise??

I 've just bought another apartment in Panama City, closing yesterday a contract the negotiating of which went on for the past 3 months. Not unusual.

In view of the great popular demand for this fight and with all the high-powered lawyers rhat Haye has available (like any other prominent boxer) there is NO reason, other than Haye's timidity. for not making a fight for which his tongue was hanging out.

So, I will ask you again.....

..... this thing that you have with "ducking", or "bitching out", or whatever..... you know, the "thing" that you are currently directing toward Haye.....

..... how does Wlad not fighting his own rematches fit in with your "ducking" thing?

[LeadUppercut]

No trouble at all Pal, ANYTIME. If you like I have a fine assortment of descriptive adjectives, that I haven't used for a long time, so you're welcome.

As for "bike sheds" that brings with it to real school atmosphere........AAHHH! (deep breathing here)

As to why W Klitschko has not been fighting his "rematches" it seems simple to me, being as it were, a simple fellow myself.

Klitschko was destined for fame and glory right from the beginning, a charismatic, clean-living, good looking Olympic Gold Medal winner. It couldn't miss. His career was likely plotted out by a team of experts.

Losing to Purrity, was a drawback, since Puritty was just another "head" in his collection. You recall -maybe- that this was Klitschko's 25th fight in 24 months. The fight was stopped in the corner after, I think the 10th or 11th rd. Klitschko had won every rd by a huge margin. It was only Purrity's steel chin, which allowed the fight to continue for 10 (or 11). Purrity at that stage had lost 14 fights, and to rematch, would be, as you put it, "schoolboy stuff" and really needless. All Klitschko needed to do was make sure he didn't fade, in future in the last few rounds. This may have been his first 12 rounder.

As for the Sanders fight, Sanders was greatly helped by the ferocious headbutt with which he accompanied terrific left hand. Not once but 2 or 3 times. Both head and fist arriving almost simultaneously. Sanders then being champion, he had his own programme, which included the opportunity of taking on the famous brother, rather than waiting for months until WK had rested, relaxed, recouped and re-trained. Not being a confidante of either fighter, this is as much as I can surmise.

The same thing for the Brewster debacle, Brewster went on a moneymaking career trip, and eventually, when the opportunity arrived, there was a return. In this fight, Klitschko showed, without any ambivalence, that, just as in the first fight, he was Brewster's master.

If the ref had been more solicitous of Brewster's health in the first fight, he'd have stopped it after Btewster had been KD and almost KO'd in rd 4.

From what we knew, saw, and still see of WK's skill and mastery of boxing, it was and is obvious that he is and was streets ahead of the 3 fighters he'd lost to.

Fighters do lose to inferior fighters..... because of timing, illness, style mis-match, along with other reasons..... SO WHAT !!

That does not explain why Vit fought Corrie, and that does not explain the ridiculous "2-bro, 3-fight" rematch clause ****.

For the THIRD TIME, answer my question.....

This thing that you have with "ducking", or "bitching out", or whatever.....
you know, the "thing" that you are currently directing toward Haye..... how does Wlad not fighting his own rematches fit in with your "ducking" thing?

[LeadUppercut]

No trouble at all Pal, ANYTIME. If you like I have a fine assortment of descriptive adjectives, that I haven't used for a long time, so you're welcome.

As for "bike sheds" that brings with it to real school atmosphere........AAHHH! (deep breathing here)

As to why W Klitschko has not been fighting his "rematches" it seems simple to me, being as it were, a simple fellow myself.

Klitschko was destined for fame and glory right from the beginning, a charismatic, clean-living, good looking Olympic Gold Medal winner. It couldn't miss. His career was likely plotted out by a team of experts.

Losing to Purrity, was a drawback, since Puritty was just another "head" in his collection. You recall -maybe- that this was Klitschko's 25th fight in 24 months. The fight was stopped in the corner after, I think the 10th or 11th rd. Klitschko had won every rd by a huge margin. It was only Purrity's steel chin, which allowed the fight to continue for 10 (or 11). Purrity at that stage had lost 14 fights, and to rematch, would be, as you put it, "schoolboy stuff" and really needless. All Klitschko needed to do was make sure he didn't fade, in future in the last few rounds. This may have been his first 12 rounder.

As for the Sanders fight, Sanders was greatly helped by the ferocious headbutt with which he accompanied terrific left hand. Not once but 2 or 3 times. Both head and fist arriving almost simultaneously. Sanders then being champion, he had his own programme, which included the opportunity of taking on the famous brother, rather than waiting for months until WK had rested, relaxed, recouped and re-trained. Not being a confidante of either fighter, this is as much as I can surmise.

The same thing for the Brewster debacle, Brewster went on a moneymaking career trip, and eventually, when the opportunity arrived, there was a return. In this fight, Klitschko showed, without any ambivalence, that, just as in the first fight, he was Brewster's master.

If the ref had been more solicitous of Brewster's health in the first fight, he'd have stopped it after Btewster had been KD and almost KO'd in rd 4.

From what we knew, saw, and still see of WK's skill and mastery of boxing, it was and is obvious that he is and was streets ahead of the 3 fighters he'd lost to.

Fighters do lose to inferior fighters..... because of timing, illness, style mis-match, along with other reasons..... SO WHAT !!

That does not explain why Vit fought Corrie, and that does not explain the ridiculous "2-bro, 3-fight" rematch clause ****.

For the THIRD TIME, answer my question.....

This thing that you have with "ducking", or "bitching out", or whatever.....
you know, the "thing" that you are currently directing toward Haye..... how does Wlad not fighting his own rematches fit in with your "ducking" thing?

If you agree with me that this "ducking" thing is bull****..... and that this is all just tactical/financial positioning entering into what will be a huge round of contract negotiations..... then maybe I will let you go..... as I say, I am a Klitschko fan.

Otherwise.....
keep digging into that "fine assortment of descriptive adjectives"..... but, do not reply unless you answer my question.

[edgarg]

Rubbish !!

Name one fight within the history of boxing, where the contract contained a rematch clause that stipulated whereupon after beating the champ, the challenger (now champion) would have to fight the old champ's big brother?

I will be reasonable here..... forget the brother example.....

Name one fight within the history of boxing, where the contract contained a rematch clause that stipulated whereupon after beating the champ, the challenger (now champion) would have to fight ANYONE OTHER THAN the old champ?

It's kinda not really a rematch..... is it?

You cannot deny that it was a NORMAL CHAMPION'S contract with THE ADDED SWEETNER of a fight with V. Klitschko, who just happened to be the WBC champion, a UNIQUE opportunity for Haye to win all FOUR BELTS, and become the first really legitimate champion since Mike Tyson.

I would guess-and this is ALL I can do-and you too, that the contracts offered and sighned by every opponent of the Klitschkos are the same contract offered to Haye. I don't know why you're making such a fuss...................

[edgarg]

So, I will ask you again.....

..... this thing that you have with "ducking", or "bitching out", or whatever..... you know, the "thing" that you are currently directing toward Haye.....

..... how does Wlad not fighting his own rematches fit in with your "ducking" thing?

Ah, but the point is not really valid, The 2 losses that WK had, did not lead to business-like suitable matches.Purrity was not a worthy opponent for a 24-1 star, especially since he'd bounced him of the 4 walls of the arena for 10 rds. Sanders had fought VK and been taken apart, finished as a top fighter, and Brewster, he re-matched, since the opportunity arose.

What more do you want, I'mmbeginning to think that maybe youe are NOT as bright as your letters seem to indicate .............now and then.