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  • adrian16
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    #1

    I would bet on Foreman (+175) anyone else?

    Its because i usually root for underdogs
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    #2
    Originally posted by adrian16
    Its because i usually root for underdogs

    betting against cotto is a good bet even thou he is fighting a bum. still he could lose

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    • SCEN3RY
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      #3
      Originally posted by adrian16
      Its because i usually root for underdogs
      well the fight is too close to call in my opinion, now by all means bet the underdog for the pay off if you are certain he is going to win, but I'd stay on the sideline for this one. I watched some of Cotto's training, which focused on body shots, left jab, left hook - some decent footwork, he looks better, but it's one thing to do it in a gym and another to do so in the ring. Foreman is a skilled boxer, great movement, doesn't take chances, just fights the safe fight. If you don't think Cotto can catch, and hurt Foreman than you pretty much answer your own question (Foreman by decision). Foremans no bum, like home-slice above me said...but Cotto could beat him, if he neatralize Foremans movement and goes into that body (which i predict is the gameplan).
      I'm telling you this after I predicted Foreman to win, but now I'm not so sure...b/c here is the thing that nobody is saying, Cotto has only been beaten by aggressive boxers, Foreman won't hurt Cotto, Foreman won't walk Cotto down, he will try to outbox him. Another thing is, that gash over Cotto's eye might open up again, as it did against Clottey & Pacquiao - and that might cause problems for Cotto. It's a 50-50 fight on paper, to me atleast. I'd stay on the sidelines (I might change my mind again though)...but by all means make the bet you want, it is your money. One more thing, is Cotto too small at 154? Just another important question to ponder on.
      Last edited by SCEN3RY; 06-04-2010, 01:31 AM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by adrian16
        Its because i usually root for underdogs
        I would lay down money at those odds. They will narrow significantly come fight night as the smart money rolls in on Yuri.

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          • !! Shawn
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            #6
            Originally posted by BoxingScenery
            well the fight is too close to call in my opinion, now by all means bet the underdog for the pay off if you are certain he is going to win, but I'd stay on the sideline for this one. I watched some of Cotto's training, which focused on body shots, left jab, left hook - some decent footwork, he looks better, but it's one thing to do it in a gym and another to do so in the ring. Foreman is a skilled boxer, great movement, doesn't take chances, just fights the safe fight. If you don't think Cotto can catch, and hurt Foreman than you pretty much answer your own question (Foreman by decision). Foremans no bum, like home-slice above me said...but Cotto could beat him, if he neatralize Foremans movement and goes into that body (which i predict is the gameplan).
            I'm telling you this after I predicted Foreman to win, but now I'm not so sure...b/c here is the thing that nobody is saying, Cotto has only been beaten by aggressive boxers, Foreman won't hurt Cotto, Foreman won't walk Cotto down, he will try to outbox him. Another thing is, that gash over Cotto's eye might open up again, as it did against Clottey & Pacquiao - and that might cause problems for Cotto. It's a 50-50 fight on paper, to me atleast. I'd stay on the sidelines (I might change my mind again though)...but by all means make the bet you want, it is your money. One more thing, is Cotto too small at 154? Just another important question to ponder on.
            Fair enough.

            What you overlook is this. Cotto IS damaged goods. He has had it beaten out of him. His last 3 serious fights have been life and death struggles.

            He is not the same man he use to be. He won't be able to take the same shot (although he never really could take a shot that well) and while Yuri might not hit that hard for 154, he is a big natural 154lb guy, and that means he hits harder than you think, especially considering Cotto started in the lower weight classes.

            Foreman will have 5 inches of reach and 4 inches of hight on Cotto. He will more than likely have a speed advantage, a reflex advantage, and a movement advantage.

            Yuri has shown a solid chin, excellent intelligence, and the willingness to do what he needs to do to win, even if that means stinking out the arena Floyd style.

            There is nothing Cotto brings to the table that makes me think he is even remotely in contention in this fight.

            Bob Arum is using Cotto as a sacrificial lamb to increase Foremans value.

            Bob Arum would NEVER risk an up and coming champion, so its only logical to conclude like I did that this fight is about nothing other than establishing Yuri Foreman as a big name.

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              #7
              Originally posted by BoxingScenery
              well the fight is too close to call in my opinion, now by all means bet the underdog for the pay off if you are certain he is going to win, but I'd stay on the sideline for this one. I watched some of Cotto's training, which focused on body shots, left jab, left hook - some decent footwork, he looks better, but it's one thing to do it in a gym and another to do so in the ring. Foreman is a skilled boxer, great movement, doesn't take chances, just fights the safe fight. If you don't think Cotto can catch, and hurt Foreman than you pretty much answer your own question (Foreman by decision). Foremans no bum, like home-slice above me said...but Cotto could beat him, if he neatralize Foremans movement and goes into that body (which i predict is the gameplan).
              I'm telling you this after I predicted Foreman to win, but now I'm not so sure...b/c here is the thing that nobody is saying, Cotto has only been beaten by aggressive boxers, Foreman won't hurt Cotto, Foreman won't walk Cotto down, he will try to outbox him. Another thing is, that gash over Cotto's eye might open up again, as it did against Clottey & Pacquiao - and that might cause problems for Cotto. It's a 50-50 fight on paper, to me atleast. I'd stay on the sidelines (I might change my mind again though)...but by all means make the bet you want, it is your money. One more thing, is Cotto too small at 154? Just another important question to ponder on.
              Nice info, if i could give you a cut from my winning...cheers bro

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              • SCEN3RY
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                #8
                Originally posted by !! Shawn
                Fair enough.

                What you overlook is this. Cotto IS damaged goods. He has had it beaten out of him. His last 3 serious fights have been life and death struggles.

                He is not the same man he use to be. He won't be able to take the same shot (although he never really could take a shot that well) and while Yuri might not hit that hard for 154, he is a big natural 154lb guy, and that means he hits harder than you think, especially considering Cotto started in the lower weight classes.

                Foreman will have 5 inches of reach and 4 inches of hight on Cotto. He will more than likely have a speed advantage, a reflex advantage, and a movement advantage.

                Yuri has shown a solid chin, excellent intelligence, and the willingness to do what he needs to do to win, even if that means stinking out the arena Floyd style.

                There is nothing Cotto brings to the table that makes me think he is even remotely in contention in this fight.

                Bob Arum is using Cotto as a sacrificial lamb to increase Foremans value.

                Bob Arum would NEVER risk an up and coming champion, so its only logical to conclude like I did that this fight is about nothing other than establishing Yuri Foreman as a big name.
                I agree the mobility and speed of Foreman is impressive, at times overlooked by his opponents, I'm also aware of the height and reach advantages, it could cause problems for Cotto, if he doesn't move properly. Cotto being a southpaw converted orthodox, his footwork, I think, isn't as fluent as it could be.
                Also, I've made this statement before, 'Foreman doesn't sit on his punches, that doesn't mean he can't punch if he chose to.'
                I see Cotto going to the body, will he succeed in cutting the ring, moving along with Foreman, dictating the pace? I'm too hesitant, so I'm just going to enjoy a good fight.

                As for Bob Arum, well I don't know what he's thinking, maybe he is using him, it's possible - But you can't ignore the good matches Cotto is being put into - vs Margarito (on paper, at the time), vs Clottey, vs Pacquiao, vs Foreman, a little further back - vs Mosley, vs Judah...he has a pretty good resume, Arum found him those fights, and didn't just stick him into safe bouts. I can appreciate that and hope he's not a stepping stone on June 5th.

                With that said, is Cotto damaged goods from all his wars? its an opinion, I still think he is a top-notch welterweight, whose body frame may be too small for 154. I'll be routing for him, I appreciate his body of work, and I want to see him do well, but I'm not foolish enough to ignore Yuri's attributes, he is very capable of winning this bout. You should also note, my initial prediction was Foreman by decision, I'm just not so sure anymore. We have a good fight to look forward to!
                Last edited by SCEN3RY; 06-04-2010, 09:43 AM.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by !! Shawn
                  Fair enough.

                  What you overlook is this. Cotto IS damaged goods. He has had it beaten out of him. His last 3 serious fights have been life and death struggles.

                  He is not the same man he use to be. He won't be able to take the same shot (although he never really could take a shot that well) and while Yuri might not hit that hard for 154, he is a big natural 154lb guy, and that means he hits harder than you think, especially considering Cotto started in the lower weight classes.

                  Foreman will have 5 inches of reach and 4 inches of hight on Cotto. He will more than likely have a speed advantage, a reflex advantage, and a movement advantage.

                  Yuri has shown a solid chin, excellent intelligence, and the willingness to do what he needs to do to win, even if that means stinking out the arena Floyd style.

                  There is nothing Cotto brings to the table that makes me think he is even remotely in contention in this fight.

                  Bob Arum is using Cotto as a sacrificial lamb to increase Foremans value.

                  Bob Arum would NEVER risk an up and coming champion, so its only logical to conclude like I did that this fight is about nothing other than establishing Yuri Foreman as a big name.
                  We usually do not see eye to eye, but I agree with you on this. I think Arum wants to build up yuri, and if cotto wins, then hey a third option for pacquiao would be an option.

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