my top 10 p4p rankings(updated)

[Tha_Greatest]

1.Manny Pacquiao
currently touring all divisions so he can beat down all coming challengers, barely ahead by margins to floyd mayweather on my list, Pac va May will settle the true number 1(which i still believe is Pac)
2.Floyd Mayweather Jr
after beating mosley, he moved up my brackett to 5 to 2 and before the shane fight, i considered him still retire for 5 years, now even the marquez win is considered by me as a legit win, marquez win now not considered a cherrpicked opponent
3.Wladimir Klitschko
heavvyweight that has americans angry that they cant compete with him, they say anything to disvredit him, even if it means taking him out their p4p top 10 (hasnt lost in 6 years)
4.Vitali Klitschko
another heavvyweight that has americans angry that they cant compete with him, even if hes a old fighter, he might be better than his younger brother
5.Sergio Martinez
has had bad American Experiences by HBO and their biaseness but regardless of those robberies , hes still unfazed and impressing and took Pavliks belts
6.Ivan Calderon
still undefeated and still winning against all odds against much much bigger opposition
7.Rafael Marquez
hes back on the list but not as high as close to around #3 to 6 for being too inactive vs other opposition and im still not sure if this rafa will be the same rafa as the one from a year in a half ago, made it back to the list by impressively beating his nemesis in vasquez
8.Fernando Montiel
by beating my former number 4 guy(Hasegawa), Montiel jumps to #8, Montils impressive wins includes litle guys like mexican mini great Martin El Gallito Castillo, Z Gorres, Ivan Hernandez ,and now longtime champ, Hasegawa
9.Andre Ward
undefeated and a olympic gold medalist with great victories and my pick in the super 6, based on his remarkable talent and power
10.Timothy Bradley
Best of the rest while with a resume whos solid wins are considered to journeymen like E.Cherry, V.Harris, his 3 elite wins vs Witter, Holt and Peterson(resumewise, it woulda helped bradley if he didnt fight to a no contest vs nate campbell)

poll, vote now, consideration who deserves to be in top 10 the most

considerations: Chris John, Lucian Bute, Chad Dawson, Celestino Caballero, Sergio Martinez, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Paul Williams, Devon Alexander, Tomasz Adamek, Amir Khan

[Shadows]

Montiel lost to Johnson.

[F l i c k e r]

Take the Klits out. There is no such things as a p4p HW.


Otherwise good list.

[Steak]

Wladimir deserves to be in the p4p list, no doubt. Yes, his division is awful. I agree wholeheartedly. But the guy has been straight out dominating people for years now. Hes literally only lost about 3 or 4 rounds in the past 5 years, against Calvin Brock and Tony Thompson.

and hes fighting the best the division has to offer. Its not his fault the division is terrible.

I dislike seeing one shot wonders jump into the p4p lists over guys who have been beating up the best the division has to offer for years.

[F l i c k e r]

Wladimir deserves to be in the p4p list, no doubt. Yes, his division is awful. I agree wholeheartedly. But the guy has been straight out dominating people for years now. Hes literally only lost about 3 or 4 rounds in the past 5 years, against Calvin Brock and Tony Thompson.

and hes fighting the best the division has to offer. Its not his fault the division is terrible.

I dislike seeing one shot wonders jump into the p4p lists over guys who have been beating up the best the division has to offer for years.

P4P = smaller guy with the skill to beat bigger guys but wouldn't be expected to win because of the size advantage.

Wlad = HW...... how does that equate p4p? No one is bigger than him.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Chad Dawson needs to be in there.

[Tha_Greatest]

Wladimir deserves to be in the p4p list, no doubt. Yes, his division is awful. I agree wholeheartedly. But the guy has been straight out dominating people for years now. Hes literally only lost about 3 or 4 rounds in the past 5 years, against Calvin Brock and Tony Thompson.

and hes fighting the best the division has to offer. Its not his fault the division is terrible.

I dislike seeing one shot wonders jump into the p4p lists over guys who have been beating up the best the division has to offer for years.

green k ,very good argument of plain facts,

[Crazylegs77]

Ward hasnt won his recent fights using his "remarkable talent and power" what power? If he has remarkable talent why does he hold nonstop? Why not display it and use it to box?

I think if he wins the tournament maybe he should be on the list possibly somewhere but not now.

[-EX-]

Put Chad in there...move Vitali further down...Martinez is too high...

[Steak]

P4P = smaller guy with the skill to beat bigger guys but wouldn't be expected to win because of the size advantage.

Wlad = HW...... how does that equate p4p? No one is bigger than him.

in reality, p4p lists are actually just a popularity contest among diehard boxing fans. I mean, lets face it.

Besides, Ive never thought of the p4p list as that anyway, even as a boxing fan. I simply think of it as

'The best and most successful fighters in the world, when taking into account relative size'.

Because size is only one of many factors that matters in boxing, I dont think its necessary to 'prove' yourself against larger men, although it can be a plus and a very fair reason to give a boxer credit. For example, I think that Mayweather beating Pacquiao(someone close to his size) is more of an accomplishment than Mayweather going up in weight and beating...I dont know...John Duddy(who is substantially larger than him).

To exclude someone from a list of the best fighters in the world just because they are heavyweight is ******. As boxing fans we are very tolerant of guys of all sizes, but this is taking it way too far.