Would it be fair if PAC gets moved up much higher on the ATG list if he beats PBF...

[King of Sting]

than if PBF were to beat PAC ?


Personally, I think so. My reason, is because PBF in general is regarded as a better overall fighter than PAC, so, if PBF were to beat PAC it isn't as big a feat compared to PAC beating PBF who is considered by many as the underdog if the two are to get it on.

[TheManniePhresh]

yeah he proves he was the greatest of our era he should be higher for defeating floyd wont happen though

[Khalid X]

Honestly Floyd has more to gain than Manny in this fight. Alot of people want to rank him higher on the ATG list, but there isn't that career defining win on his resume over another ATG.

Floyd has a solid resume as well, but to beat Pac will make people more comfortable as far as putting him in the top 20 and quite possible the top 10 with a few more solid wins on top of a potential win over Manny.

As far as Manny, I really don't see him gaining too much from this fight as most people think. Great win, but he has beaten other ATG's in Morales, Marquez as well as going 5-1-1 against his Hall of fame peers. I guess this may prove he is clearly the best fighter of this era, but Pac's titles in different classes, and various awards is what will shoot him up the ATG list.

That's just my opinion on things by the way...and FWIW even if Floyd beats Manny, Manny will still be ranked much higher on the ATG list.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Honestly Floyd has more to gain than Manny in this fight. Alot of people want to rank him higher on the ATG list, but there isn't that career defining win on his resume over another ATG.

Floyd has a solid resume as well, but to beat Pac will make people more comfortable as far as putting him in the top 20 and quite possible the top 10 with a few more solid wins on top of a potential win over Manny.

As far as Manny, I really don't see him gaining too much from this fight as most people think. Great win, but he has beaten other ATG's in Morales, Marquez as well as going 5-1-1 against his Hall of fame peers. I guess this may prove he is clearly the best fighter of this era, but Pac's titles in different classes, and various awards is what will shoot him up the ATG list.

That's just my opinion on things by the way...and FWIW even if Floyd beats Manny, Manny will still be ranked much higher on the ATG list.

Its safe to say that Floyd is on another level than Barerra, Marquez or Morales. This would be the best win of Pacs career by a country mile. It would help him alot.

Floyd beating Pac helps him the same way. Both guys would be the best win on each others resume by a country mile and its not even close. Floyd is already on some Top 30 **** IMO. Beating Pac takes him into the VERY elite category and one of the Top 25 fighters ever will be moved out.

Al;so to your last point. The biggest myth on this site is that Pac is just so much ahead Floyd. I never understood that and its not true. These two are neck and neck.

If Pac stops Floyd early. His whole career will need to be re-evaluated and rightfully so because against the best opponent he wouldve faced he got ****ed up....bad

Same for Pac if Floyd ****s him and just makes him look pathetic.The same applies.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

Honestly Floyd has more to gain than Manny in this fight. Alot of people want to rank him higher on the ATG list, but there isn't that career defining win on his resume over another ATG.

Floyd has a solid resume as well, but to beat Pac will make people more comfortable as far as putting him in the top 20 and quite possible the top 10 with a few more solid wins on top of a potential win over Manny.

As far as Manny, I really don't see him gaining too much from this fight as most people think. Great win, but he has beaten other ATG's in Morales, Marquez as well as going 5-1-1 against his Hall of fame peers. I guess this may prove he is clearly the best fighter of this era, but Pac's titles in different classes, and various awards is what will shoot him up the ATG list.

That's just my opinion on things by the way...and FWIW even if Floyd beats Manny, Manny will still be ranked much higher on the ATG list.

Lets be fair Barrera was the biggest most impressive wins, the Morales wins came after he lost and Morales was on the downside of his career.

Im not sure how you work out Manny will be much higher on the atg list if Floyd beats him but whatever.. that ****s just nuthuggery at its finest..

Pac beating Floyd would easily be the biggest win of his career and push him up alot on any lists imo.

[SkillspayBills]

Isn't that just a testament to Floyd's greatness? If Pac, a certified ATG fighter and a legend is an underdog to Floyd? Beating an ATG in his prime should move you up the list and I think it should move them both equally.

[Khalid X]

Its safe to say that Floyd is on another level than Barerra, Marquez or Morales. This would be the best win of Pacs career by a country mile. It would help him alot.

Floyd beating Pac helps him the same way. Both guys would be the best win on each others resume by a country mile and its not even close. Floyd is already on some Top 30 **** IMO. Beating Pac takes him into the VERY elite category and one of the Top 25 fighters ever will be moved out.

Al;so to your last point. The biggest myth on this site is that Pac is just so much ahead Floyd. I never understood that and its not true. These two are neck and neck.

If Pac stops Floyd early. His whole career will need to be re-evaluated and rightfully so because against the best opponent he wouldve faced he got ****ed up....bad

Same for Pac if Floyd ****s him and just makes him look pathetic.The same applies.

I don't have them neck and neck, and to be honest I have Manny atleast 10 spots ahead of Floyd on the ATG, although I don't have a set in stone official list just yet (gotta rough draft, not a final copy).

I do agree that Floyd would be one of Pac's best wins, tied with Barrera still IMO, but Floyd doesn't have a win over another ATG which is why the win is bigger.

As far as either dominating the other, I don't think it hurts either of their careers, but no loss can take away how dominate Floyd was in his wins over DLH, Corrales, Mosley and others and the same with Pac's win over Cotto, Barrera, Morales etc. That is in the history books and no one can ever take that away from either fighters.

[Khalid X]

Lets be fair Barrera was the biggest most impressive wins, the Morales wins came after he lost and Morales was on the downside of his career.

Im not sure how you work out Manny will be much higher on the atg list if Floyd beats him but whatever.. that ****s just nuthuggery at its finest..

Pac beating Floyd would easily be the biggest win of his career and push him up alot on any lists imo.

The same reason Pep is over 20-30 spots higher than Sandler even though Sandy beat him 3 outta 4 times.

The same reason Duran is over Haglar and Hearns even though both beat him.

You act like I said something that is not unprecedented or unheard of. Pac has put in work, accomplished more etc, so a win over him isn't enough to propel him above Manny on the ATG list.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

The same reason Pep is over 20-30 spots higher than Sandler even though Sandy beat him 3 outta 4 times.

The same reason Duran is over Haglar and Hearns even though both beat him.

You act like I said something that is not unprecedented or unheard of. Pac has put in work, accomplished more etc, so a win over him isn't enough to propel him above Manny on the ATG list.

Its all aout HOW the winner will win. The writers will let it be known what they think.

If Floyd dismantles him like I predict. You better believe Floyd is moving wayyyy up. This is a win that no one can hate on or **** on especially with all the hype Pac is getting and hes in his prime on top of that. This would be a win no one cuold take from Floyd.

[slickfox]

Honestly Floyd has more to gain than Manny in this fight. Alot of people want to rank him higher on the ATG list, but there isn't that career defining win on his resume over another ATG.

Floyd has a solid resume as well, but to beat Pac will make people more comfortable as far as putting him in the top 20 and quite possible the top 10 with a few more solid wins on top of a potential win over Manny.

As far as Manny, I really don't see him gaining too much from this fight as most people think. Great win, but he has beaten other ATG's in Morales, Marquez as well as going 5-1-1 against his Hall of fame peers. I guess this may prove he is clearly the best fighter of this era, but Pac's titles in different classes, and various awards is what will shoot him up the ATG list.

That's just my opinion on things by the way...and FWIW even if Floyd beats Manny, Manny will still be ranked much higher on the ATG list.

good post but what you said in the end is wrong....if floyd were to beat manny and then get a couple more significant wins, no way in hell is manny higher on atg list. Also when floyd beats manny, alot of his wins may be diminished especially if he gets dominated.