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  • Ben_London
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    #61
    Originally posted by mrbigshot
    whats so unique about pacs style, aggressive southpaw would be easier to counter i dont buy into this cr@p that pac has this amazing quirky upper body movement marquez and morales both managed to get right hands there with ease

    southpaws dont allow mayweather to use the shoulder roll but he will just use the high head guard like he did against zab, zab fought a controlled fight tbh and was harder to break down because he was fighting in spurts and was being pretty negative.... pac dont have a jab and does not have judahs reach and the speed his the same in foot and hand!!! pac will get hit with right hands ALL day long

    and pacs not a one punch ko artist yes he has power but its the angles he creates but he will need the jab to set things up and he dont have one!!!!

    so how does he beat floyd, throws **** loads of punches no good will make it easy work for floyd; try and box floyd no good he aint gonna win his main issue his to try and hurt floyd even when shane landed two huge right hands floyd was stunned but he was back throwing 5 seconds later!!! and pac dont have the height and reach that shane does!!

    so how can pac win ( i think he his a grat fighter but when did he fight someone who came to fight who possesses a really good right hand (marquez))

    i just cant see how he beats a guy who his better at everything than marquez (marquez went life and death with pac twice) also morales and marquez when they beat pac all were a bit too aggressive even when they were counter punching!! wanted to fight more... floyd wont do that he will press with foot work and feints and counter punch pac to death in the end i see pac being cut up and busted up!! the way to beat pac his a jab, feinting and counter punching but doing it in a sensible aggressive way!!! floyd either wins late stoppage or UD
    I like your breakdown of the fight and you gave a proper response unlike some other idiots on here.

    Your reasoning has logic, I just feel Pacquiao with the southpaw stance, his phenomenal work rate, stamina and speed will earn him a points victory. He will surely be caught with right hand counters but he has shown a good enough chin at this level to be able to take it.

    Floyd also has great stamina but doesn't move like he used to and doesn't throw many combinations anymore.

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    • M.I.C.
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      #62
      Floyd hasn't declined, only adapted, but honestly who expects a 34 yr old to fight like he did when he was 20? He'd have to be on PED's to maintain that level of activity & movement.

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      • bdevils
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        #63
        Originally posted by baracuda
        i was'nt that impressed with that performance ....hoya beat genaro better than floyd did......
        You never saw the fight did you?

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        • Toda Caine
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          #64
          Originally posted by -EX-
          I think its mainly his footspeed...its declined...he still has fast hands but doesn't throw combos so idk how fast they really are still...

          Although in exchange for the lightning handspeed, he's bulked up on his upper body...who wudda thought he wud appear bigger and stronger than Mosley...
          That's mainly what I think it is, footspeed that's declined, but his technique and ability to adjust makes up for it. I think since he moved up, he's began to pace himself and think alot more instead keep doing what he did at lower weights. I don't think the Mosley fight is something we can judge him off of too much, I think he still continues to hold back. Against Pac, he's going to have bring damn near everything out.

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          • PensionKiller
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            #65
            Originally posted by check hook
            exactly.........watch the Corrales fight.......he moves like a wasp attacking a spider..........

            even compare Baldomir fight at 147 (he moved very very well here) to the SSM fight.......

            he has def declined....but ppl don't see it........could be better for the fans as it makes him more agressive.........
            So you don't feel his new style means he is not using his footwork anymore?

            Like Manny showed fast footwork VS Oscar but none VS Clottey.

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            • Roxas
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              #66
              Originally posted by check hook
              exactly.........watch the Corrales fight.......he moves like a wasp attacking a spider..........

              even compare Baldomir fight at 147 (he moved very very well here) to the SSM fight.......

              he has def declined....but ppl don't see it........could be better for the fans as it makes him more agressive.........
              I've been saying this for a while now

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              • Tiozzo
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                #67
                Originally posted by DempseyRollin
                actually ur wrong. a fighter like him who takes little damage and relies less on refex for defense typically decline slow. a fighter like pac who get hit a lot usually declines much faster.
                Floyd does rely on speed, reflexes and his legs
                those are the fighters who decline the fastest
                learn your boxing instead of talking out of your...

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                • Tiozzo
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by _original_
                  Oh the shame in getting hit with a FEW right hands by two future hall of famers......give me a break dawg, fighters like him are the ones who can still compete past their prime due to their style
                  it is unusual for Mayweather to get hit frequently by flush right hands
                  it happened in both the Marquez and SSM fights
                  take off your pink glasses

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                  • mrbigshot
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Ben_London
                    I like your breakdown of the fight and you gave a proper response unlike some other idiots on here.

                    Your reasoning has logic, I just feel Pacquiao with the southpaw stance, his phenomenal work rate, stamina and speed will earn him a points victory. He will surely be caught with right hand counters but he has shown a good enough chin at this level to be able to take it.

                    Floyd also has great stamina but doesn't move like he used to and doesn't throw many combinations anymore.
                    i can take on board what your saying if judah and corley can hit floyd out of the southpaw stance then surely pacman can!!! thats the main concern defending the left hands from southpaws but morales managed to neutralise the left hand and so did marquez to an extent (might not matter now that pac has improved the right hand, but i still think he his dependant on the left too much)

                    his work rate and stamina are fantastic but i dont believe the stamina his that great at 147 (see cotto fight where it was competive in the 1st 4 rnds epspecially with cottos jab and pac was breathing fairly heavily - much more in the morales and marquez fights where they were very competitive fights!!!)

                    in this fight floyd will land the jab more than cotto, fight in a educated sensible aggressive manner and with floyd accurancy and defense he will be landing a lot more punches then marquez and morales

                    morales 1 total punches 37% total jabs 32% total power 41%
                    marquez 1 total punches 34 total jabs 21% total power 42%

                    Morales and marquez both managed to get in the low 40% on that i would imagine that floyd would be hitting that number without recieving the punish the mexican warriors recieved

                    i just cant see how mayweather loses this fight he his a two handed fight where marquez and morales are both primarily right handed!!!

                    and i aint a floyd bummer i like both fighters pac and floyd its just i think floyd is a backable price at the bookies so i am investing because i have done the video study

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                    • Kagami Taiga
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by tourlou82
                      Floyd does rely on speed, reflexes and his legs
                      those are the fighters who decline the fastest
                      learn your boxing instead of talking out of your...
                      how about u learn not to give ppl red k for disagreeing with you...that is what a forum is for. ***** move...

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