Why did Sosnowski land his jab at will on Vitali ?

[Tiozzo]

I think to beat Vitali you're going to need to knock him out because taking the amount of punches he lands plus the fact that his punches are pretty hard, its going to be hard to out punch him for 12 rounds straight. All Sosnowski showed is that the one punch you may be able to land against an aging Vitali is also the punch thats the least likely to KO anyone.

maybe

but I think that Haye could beat Vitali using a similar tactic to the one that he used to beat Valuev (but he would have to bring his work rate up)

move, duck, slip, counter with combos

[Tiozzo]

Vitali is vulnerable to lefts. He cant see them coming for some reason, and if any fighter would actually make a concerted effort to throw HARD LEFTS instead of rights or pawing jabs they could easily KO Vitali.

Look at the two guys other than LL who gave Vit the most problems:

Corrie Sanders and Chris Byrd, both southpaws with power in the left hand. Sanders was able to wobble Vitali with the left and knock him down to the canvas, Vitali quit on his stool against Byrd...

Lennox was never known for his strength in the left hand, but look how Vitali's knees buckle everytime LL hits him with it....



He staggered Vitali with the left at least 2 other times in that fight. Any quick power puncher that implements this plan has a good chance at knocking Vitali out.

I'm not sure that Vitali really is that succeptible to left hands
I noticed he was very aware of Sosnowski's left hook as he was protecting his chin with his right hand

and if you're not a southpaw like Byrd or Sanders, you won't be able to land straight left power punches (obviously)

and no one easily ko's Vitali, as geeribitus (?) said

BTW, I don't like when people use false logic
Vitali quit because of his shoulder injury, not because Byrd was hurting him (he did land straight left hands, but didn't cause real damage)

Sanders did wobble Vitali, but he pushed him to the canvas

[AKATheMack]

maybe

but I think that Haye could beat Vitali using a similar tactic to the one that he used to beat Valuev (but he would have to bring his work rate up)

move, duck, slip, counter with combos

If he brings his work rate up he gives Vitali more opportunities to land punches. If Vitali is given opportunities to land punches Haye loses the fight. I just don't see Haye being sturdy enough to absorb enough punches to win.

[Scott9945]

Vitali is vulnerable to lefts. He cant see them coming for some reason, and if any fighter would actually make a concerted effort to throw HARD LEFTS instead of rights or pawing jabs they could easily KO Vitali.

Look at the two guys other than LL who gave Vit the most problems:

Corrie Sanders and Chris Byrd, both southpaws with power in the left hand. Sanders was able to wobble Vitali with the left and knock him down to the canvas, Vitali quit on his stool against Byrd...

Lennox was never known for his strength in the left hand, but look how Vitali's knees buckle everytime LL hits him with it....



He staggered Vitali with the left at least 2 other times in that fight. Any quick power puncher that implements this plan has a good chance at knocking Vitali out.

Saying Byrd had power in his left hand is only applicable if you're comparing it to the power in his right hand. Power had nothing to do with Vitali tearing his shoulder up. But of course your anti Klitschko agenda is as obvious as the TS'.

[geribeetus]

If he brings his work rate up he gives Vitali more opportunities to land punches. If Vitali is given opportunities to land punches Haye loses the fight. I just don't see Haye being sturdy enough to absorb enough punches to win.

agreed. vitali may not be the fastest guy around, but he knows when to let that right hand go. haye outsped valuev and ruiz but his defense has holes in it. he'll get caught big coming in.

[infamous larryx]

looking at thread starters sig and its clear hes a vitali hater..no point in answering this thread at all..vitali dominated and knocked this guy the **** out..and hes talking about a damn jab landing

[Joeyzagz]

This is better but you need someone with the viciousness of Sander's left and Lewis' pedigree in big fights. Is that person out there to have that kind of courage to do that? I wonder.

Of course Vitali is declining some but he's sure not losing rounds yet because of it.

Whats funny is that the only person in boxing who knows of Vitali's weakness is already on team Klitsckho(sort of). Emanuel Steward picked up on it right away after the 2nd round of the fight, but Lennox was a creature of habit and chose to go with uppercuts instead.

Adam Booth is a horrible trainer and Im afraid David Haye will miss the boat on this completely. Haye has all the physical abilities to get it done, but he lacks heart and a decent trainer. Teddy Atlas can provide him with both.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

If you're counting English among those 3, I suggest you stop.

Don't be needlessly uncharitable and petty.


His English is strong overall, better than many English speakers on the board.

[Tiozzo]

If he brings his work rate up he gives Vitali more opportunities to land punches. If Vitali is given opportunities to land punches Haye loses the fight. I just don't see Haye being sturdy enough to absorb enough punches to win.

true

I guess I meant he should capitalize more on counter opportunities, but it is easier said than done

so what do you think ? you said that to beat Vitali, you need to knock him out. So should Haye jump on Vitali from the start ?

[AKATheMack]

true

I guess I meant he should capitalize more on counter opportunities, but it is easier said than done

so what do you think ? you said that to beat Vitali, you need to knock him out. So should Haye jump on Vitali from the start ?

Move around the ring and try to load up on big right hands and get out of the way. Haye can hit hard enough to hurt Vitali and hes quick enough to move away, but I dont see it all coming together for him in this fight. I think he gets KOd if he gets aggressive and gets outworked if he tries to box.