Is Hector Cumacho ATG?

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  • venom1
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    #11
    Originally posted by blackirish137
    eh, its hard to say. He actually was probably one of the best ever at super featherweight...not in record, but in talent. I cant think of many that would have beaten him at that weight.

    wins over Limon, Jose Luis ramirez, Rosario(controversial), Boza Edwards, Ed Davis Jr, Ray Mancini, Vinny Pazienza, Greg Haugen, Roberto Duran(old), and Leonard(old) is pretty damn impressive, even if he never lived up to his potential. especialyl when you consider he did this over about 5 weight classes, and was beating guys with impressive records along the way.

    people only remember him for his running and him getting shut out by De La Hoya very late in his career, but honestly the guy was a quality fighter who even at his worst went the distance with 2 of the best Welterweights of the 90s, despite being past his best and at an unnatural weight class.

    dont forget also that he is one of the fastest fighters that ever lived.

    personally I would say 'Yes', but you can decide for yourself
    Very damn good arguement dude, that is one of the reasons why i also ticked Yes. Funnily enough you mention i was just watching his match vs De La Hoya where he was running from round 1 but still in my eyes an ATG also.

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    • Heeb
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      #12
      HOF not ATG.

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      • edgarg
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        #13
        Originally posted by blackirish137
        eh, its hard to say. He actually was probably one of the best ever at super featherweight...not in record, but in talent. I cant think of many that would have beaten him at that weight.

        wins over Limon, Jose Luis ramirez, Rosario(controversial), Boza Edwards, Ed Davis Jr, Ray Mancini, Vinny Pazienza, Greg Haugen, Roberto Duran(old), and Leonard(old) is pretty damn impressive, even if he never lived up to his potential. especialyl when you consider he did this over about 5 weight classes, and was beating guys with impressive records along the way.

        people only remember him for his running and him getting shut out by De La Hoya very late in his career, but honestly the guy was a quality fighter who even at his worst went the distance with 2 of the best Welterweights of the 90s, despite being past his best and at an unnatural weight class.

        dont forget also that he is one of the fastest fighters that ever lived.

        personally I would say 'Yes', but you can decide for yourself
        You/ve said everything I was going to say, and
        i firmly believe that Camacho is an ATG, he MUST be, Only a little guy, with the fastest hands I've ever seen, losing losing by split dec, 1 single point, after having a 38-0 record, over 3 weight classes which he dominated, He lost only to the best of the best, when on the downgrade, like Felix Trinidad, Julio Caesar Chavez (80-0) at the time, An unbeaten Oscar in his prime, etc. And at 48 is still fighting and winning. his record to date 79-6.

        Yes, in my opinion Camacho is an ATG, and could hold his own with anyone from 126-147.

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        • Forza
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          #14
          I put maybe, im 50/50 with it. For sure a HOFer though.

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          • jrosales13
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            #15
            I think he is a HOF"er, I don't know about first ballot HOF'er. But, he should get in.

            But, ATG? no and is a shame cuz he had the talent and skills to be one.

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            • ralph22
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              #16
              When he fought chavez he was undeafeted.he is a hall of famer but not sure if atg

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              • AntonTheMeh
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                #17
                depends on how long anyone's all time list is. he's definitely top 100.

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                • Dambala
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ALPHAΩMEGA
                  depends on how long anyone's all time list is. he's definitely top 100.
                  Originally posted by jrosales13
                  I think he is a HOF"er, I don't know about first ballot HOF'er. But, he should get in.

                  But, ATG? no and is a shame cuz he had the talent and skills to be one.
                  I agree with this.

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                  • Pogue69
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by ralph22
                    When he fought chavez he was undeafeted.he is a hall of famer but not sure if atg
                    He had already lost to Haugen when he fought Chavez. Agree though, maybe HOF but not ATG

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                    • Dan...
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                      #20
                      Its close. Probably not, but he was still a great and extremely talented fighter.

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