Current WLAD will KO a prime George Foreman

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  • Miburo
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    #31
    Originally posted by NChristo
    Did Manny forget that he trained Hearns ?.
    Training Hearns doesn't contradict the statement - Wlad is indeed much more powerful than Hearns, he's a damn HW.

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    • Marcov
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      #32
      Current Wlad would ko current Foreman. Thats about it.

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      • nomadman
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        #33
        People keep talking about, "if George can just work past the jab and get on the inside..." Sorry, but the current version of Wlad is almost impossible to do anything against on the inside. He's developed the clinch and lean to a tee. It's ugly as hell and makes for a boring fight, but it also makes Wlad damn near impossible to beat. Saying that, Foreman was an extremely physically powerful fighter, who was often able to bully and push off his opponents with ease. Would he be able to do that to Wlad, who from most accounts is also a very physically strong fighter and enormous to boot? Foreman's best bet, in my opinion, would be strangely enough to try to box Wlad on the outside, use his underrated jab to get Wlad's attention, get him moving on the backfoot, trap him against the ropes and then maul him up with everything he can throw. He should also try to go to the body at every opportunity, break Wlad down with clubbing shots a la Ali in Zaire. Though this is easier said than done given the way Wlad leans on you in clinches with his vice like grip. George's height would reduce the effect of the lean somewhat, but he'd still be reduced to throwing arm punches, the way Lennox did to Vitali. Could get the job done of course but might tire him out and leave him open for the Wlad one two.

        Really competitive fight, and way more interesting to discuss than many (including, I think, the threadstarter) believed.

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        • Rosseboi
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          #34
          I think Wlad would prevail here. Foreman has no stamina and was quiet slow all told. Wlad is bigger, faster, more technical with better stamina + uses range far better too.

          George doesn't outbox Wlad the best he can hope for is a pressured KO. As soon as he got close Wlad would grapple him.

          Lets look at this another way: if Wlad had Ali on the ropes like Foreman did Ali would not be alive today. I'm not saying Ali couldn't outbox Wlad but if Ali rope a doped against him it would be a different result.

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          • geribeetus
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            #35
            wlad could easily outbox george, the problem is george could just as easily put wlad on his ass.

            there's lots of great punchers i think wlad would beat. sonny liston. marciano. baer. big george just isn't one of them.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Rosseboi
              George doesn't outbox Wlad the best he can hope for is a pressured KO. As soon as he got close Wlad would grapple him.
              Obviously George wouldn't outbox Wlad, but he could certainly remain competitive with his excellent and underrated jab which, whilst it may lack a little in speed, was always thrown his great force and timing. Mercer's few moments of success came with his jab, and he was marking Wlad up around the eyes with it. Foreman could certainly do the same. And if he could get Wlad to the ropes then he could really cause some damage. His worst option, I think, would be to try to go and bomb Wlad out early. That may have worked in the past with the fast southpaw Sanders, but Wlad's defence and evasion skills have become extremely good, as has his counter punching ability. George would probably absorb some terrible punishment in the first four rounds, more than he'd ship out, and if he gassed then it's night night for him. No I think George's best bet is controlled aggression and rough house tactics, combined with sustained body work and never letting Wlad get in his comfortable groove.

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                #37
                Originally posted by geribeetus
                wlad could easily outbox george, the problem is george could just as easily put wlad on his ass.
                Lots of big punchers have put Wlad on his ass, the thing is he's nearly always got up from the knockdowns. Even in defeats he's never been knocked unconscious. I wouldn't be surprised to see Foreman get a kockdown or two. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see Wlad get up from said knockdowns and continue the fight. I know it's almost blasphemy to say that Wlad doesn't have a glass jaw, but in my opinion, it's true.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by It's Ovah
                  Lots of big punchers have put Wlad on his ass, the thing is he's nearly always got up from the knockdowns. Even in defeats he's never been knocked unconscious. I wouldn't be surprised to see Foreman get a kockdown or two. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see Wlad get up from said knockdowns and continue the fight. I know it's almost blasphemy to say that Wlad doesn't have a glass jaw, but in my opinion, it's true.
                  i agree wlad's chin isn't that bad, but foreman had the power and range to do it imo. wlad wouldn't stay down and probably forces the ref to step in

                  wlad has the power to put foreman down, but he'd have a hard time getting his punches off early dealing with the pressure. if he makes it past the 4th, i think wlad's home safe.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by geribeetus
                    i agree wlad's chin isn't that bad, but foreman had the power and range to do it imo. wlad wouldn't stay down and probably forces the ref to step in

                    wlad has the power to put foreman down, but he'd have a hard time getting his punches off early dealing with the pressure. if he makes it past the 4th, i think wlad's home safe.
                    He has the power and the range to do it for sure, but not the speed I think. George telegraphed a lot of his power shots and if the fight stays in the centre of the ring then I can't see him landing with much success on Wlad. The ropes is another matter.

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                    • geribeetus
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by It's Ovah
                      He has the power and the range to do it for sure, but not the speed I think. George telegraphed a lot of his power shots and if the fight stays in the centre of the ring then I can't see him landing with much success on Wlad. The ropes is another matter.
                      it wasn't hard to see his punches coming, but george brought some crazy aggression those first few rounds.

                      it'd be far from the first time i've been wrong, but my gut just tells me foreman's power would carry it

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